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Werepandas - lurking in your shadows
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Well, I'm not the best at expressing my thoughts. I still stand behind Merc because he was good to me and I don't forget a kindness. Also, I have great respect for his military career and now his civilian.
Ibby, I came down hard on you and I want you to know I apologize. Your comment about me wrapping myself in the flag made me realize that we are both very passionate about our core beliefs. I need to be more tolerant of others who aren't as "patriotic". Thanks for opening my eyes
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12-12-2012, 07:54 AM
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Clearly the cellar is not a safe and receptive place for me to voice my progressive and anti-oppressive views, and so i might not be around much for a while, but if you or any other dwellars want to discuss, earnestly and un-antagonistically or defensively, how I think generations of oppressive narratives and positions have hurt our nation, how I can't feel comfortable identifying as someone who is "patriotic" in supporting the country I want to serve as a career (as someone who plans to serve in the state dep't as an FSO), why I believe the "I'll say what I want, I know better than oppressed people how to fix oppression, your political-correctness-run-amok-worldview-makes-things-worse" culture only perpetuates problems... If you or any other dwellar really wants to know why I find that argument hurtful to all marginalized Americans, and wants to understand why I am very passionate about my slightly-revolutionary, controversial "core beliefs" about privilege and oppression, please PM me for a contact link. At any rate, sarge, I deeply respect that you can come forward and say your eyes've been opened and shit. I hope we can engage more in the future on this respectful level about how identities and oppressions matter.
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12-12-2012, 09:16 AM
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Werepandas - lurking in your shadows
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I found out if we just listen, we can all learn something from each other. I know it's a corny old saying
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12-12-2012, 07:35 PM
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To shreds, you say?
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12-12-2012, 10:48 PM
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Ibs, I think it's just that in general, your sexuality is the only thing we seem to hear about from you lately, and most of us understand that you're in total immersion, and are quite happy for you to do your thing, but speaking for myself, I feel like you're preaching to me, and to be honest, I have and have had my own issues with oppression and you may find that other, older members here have too. Maybe that's the point. Those older posters among us have tried to give you the benefit of their experiences but you can't understand yet that there is benefit to their words. Maybe because the wounds caused by your current journey are still too raw, you fail to have any empathy for the scars of others?...
Just a thought. I could be wrong, but I have tried hard to word this in such a way as to not cause offence. I hope none has been taken.
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12-13-2012, 04:33 AM
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Nicely put, Ali.
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12-13-2012, 06:50 AM
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trying hard to be a better person
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Thanks Dana, I thought about it for half a day before finally posting.
That just goes to show how much I've changed. 
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12-13-2012, 06:57 AM
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Well put, Ali.
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12-13-2012, 08:14 AM
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quote Ali: Maybe because the wounds caused by your current journey are still too raw, you fail to have any empathy for the scars of others?...
very nicely put, Ali. And true, so true.
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12-13-2012, 08:21 AM
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12-13-2012, 09:00 AM
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Werepandas - lurking in your shadows
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12-13-2012, 05:58 PM
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You put things very well, Ali. I saw your post last night and would've liked to add a little, but I'm not feeling up to it right now. I think I'll leave your thoughtful comments unsullied by any additions of mine ... thank you for taking the time and energy.
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The future is unwritten
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If you read it the next day and think that's not what I was trying to say, OK. But if you read it the next day and say, damn, where did that come from, then you might want to reexamine how you really feel about stuff. Some people are surprised to find out they aren't who they think they are. 
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12-13-2012, 06:20 PM
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Yeah. Surprised the fuck out of me to discover I am in fact a 57 year old Jamaican man.
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