Ouija Danger - Page 3

Stormieweather · 10-24-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

....Isn't it more likely one of your group discovered a way to put the wind up the rest of you and did it themself?

Anything is possible (:p ), but I remember being petrified because the board that reappeared had the same gouges and scratches as the one we had cut up earlier. The board was very thick and it took several of us to cut it. I can visualize the trashcan we threw it into and how we kept eyeing it the rest of the evening. There was a lot of accusing each other of trickery as well /shrug. I honestly don't know how or what happened, but I've never messed with a Ouiji board since.

<Better safe than sorry>

Stormie

Sundae · 10-24-2006, 01:29 PM

Ok, I admit - that would petrify me too.

I did not believe in any of the 3 Ouija sessions I attended, but I managed to convince myself once that the rug in my living room was possessed. So I guess people in glass houses etc

Elspode · 10-24-2006, 02:01 PM

Noodle nails it. The MB game itself holds no inherent powers...its users, however, do. Everyone does. Some of us are more able to access the energies of the Universe, some are less able, but all have the potential. Good, bad...makes no difference, because it is all energy. You can't have dark without light, negative without positive, good without bad. They are two halves of a whole.

When I watched "What the Bleep...?" , I did come away with the feeling that there was a certain agenda or group responsible, but the underlying information is perfectly valid. We are a part of the Universe. We aren't separate, outside observers. We are made from the same stuff, and are inextricable from it. The possibilities that this revelation opens are endless.

Undertoad · 10-24-2006, 02:08 PM

Or it's all a load of imagined hooey. You decide.

Flint · 10-24-2006, 02:11 PM

Some of the things which are made clear by shunning convention and following logic are not what you would expect.
Skepticism, when applied with a pre-determined agenda, shoots itself in the foot, IE "garbage in, garbage out" . . .

Elspode · 10-24-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Or it's all a load of imagined hooey. You decide.

I didn't come to Paganism easily. I finally gave in when I had enough things happen to me that couldn't be readily explained by science. I can't say that spirituality has explained it all, either, but it has taught me that I cannot and should not expect to be able to express everything as an equation.

Some things you simply must experience and accept that they happen.

kerosene · 10-24-2006, 02:23 PM

I said it before and I'll say it again. Elspode's posts are truly among my favorite.

Flint · 10-24-2006, 02:27 PM

I firmly believe that everything has an explanation. There are definitely some things which are un-knowable from our limited persepctive, but giving up on a rational explanation is the antithesis of my philosophy. If any part of science or spirituality was in conflict with the other, for me, I would know that there is something which needs to be rejected. If it doesn't fit in my picture, then either it is wrong or my picture is wrong. It just needs to be hashed out. I believe that everything can be expressed as an equation, but it's all the same equation, and most of the complication is created by our own inner struggles. There is one universe, and everything is part of it, or X = 1 where X is everything (including science and spirituality...)

Undertoad · 10-24-2006, 02:37 PM

That is the history of humanity: we experience something, we don't understand it, we are highly uncomfortable NOT understanding, and so we ASSIGN some explanation to it. Maybe even assign meaning to it.

Unfortunately, as the mistaken explanations firm up in society, they are passed along in lieu of the real explanations.

But now we know: the stars aren't pushed by Gods, they only appear to, because the Earth rotates. It isn't an earthquake because the beings are mad at you; techtonic plates shift below the surface of the earth. You don't get sick because you were bad; you get sick because you get a virus or infection or other type of disease. (edit: which of course you could get by being "bad", but you get the idea)

"Accepting", in my case, is

A) expecting that probability will cause a number of strange things to happen in one's life, and that no further explanation is necessary;
B) admitting there are indeed some things that science doesn't explain, but this doesn't mean there isn't a reality-based explanation;
C) humans are inexact, faulty, moody and full of error while reality is harshly exact.

It's not hard to do once you get the idea. And it allows you to bypass an incredible amount of bullshit. Such as almost everything in this thread. Frightened by a Ouija board? What are you, children? Are you afraid of the dark too? Do you get scared on Halloween?

mrnoodle · 10-24-2006, 02:51 PM

There's nothing irrational about the spiritual world, we just haven't created the mechanisms yet that render it measurable and quantifiable on a purely physical level. A lot of it is hooey, some of it isn't. There are too many objective, unrelated accounts that point to the same thing to be able to discount them all. If science is eventually able to figure it all out, it won't be because it's able to squish everything into its current template of how the world works.

When phrenology was big, do you think that any of the scientists involved could have grasped a concept like modern neurology? And what we know today will seem laughably crude in 200 years.

BigV · 10-24-2006, 02:52 PM

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...C) humans are inexact, faulty, moody and full of error while reality is harshly exact. ...

I would substitute for harshly: serenely, implacably, and indifferently

Flint · 10-24-2006, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

...a reality-based explanation...

A common problem occurs when "reality" is conflated with the neuro-chemical illusion we are designed to experience.

Trilby · 10-24-2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Do you get scared on Halloween?

Depends on what costume you're wearing.

wolf · 10-24-2006, 10:50 PM

I had a Ouija board as a kid ... everybody did, didn't they? I never had one bit of success with it ... not sure if that was lucky or unlucky. I was more of a Magic 8-Ball girl, and had my first fortune telling deck at 10 years old and my first tarot deck at 13.

I did have to do an exorcism on a friend's kid's Ouija board once, though.

Hubris Boy · 10-25-2006, 12:16 AM

Ouija boards? Meh. That's kid stuff.

On the other hand, some truly dreadful, terrifying things can be conjured using nothing more than a bottle of tequila and a copy of Chutes and Ladders.

I'm pretty sure that's how Barbra Streisand was able to cross over into our plane of existence.

10-24-2006, 01:29 PM	#32
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Ok, I admit - that would petrify me too. I did not believe in any of the 3 Ouija sessions I attended, but I managed to convince myself once that the rug in my living room was possessed. So I guess people in glass houses etc __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-24-2006, 02:01 PM	#33
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Noodle nails it. The MB game itself holds no inherent powers...its users, however, do. Everyone does. Some of us are more able to access the energies of the Universe, some are less able, but all have the potential. Good, bad...makes no difference, because it is all energy. You can't have dark without light, negative without positive, good without bad. They are two halves of a whole. When I watched "What the Bleep...?" , I did come away with the feeling that there was a certain agenda or group responsible, but the underlying information is perfectly valid. We are a part of the Universe. We aren't separate, outside observers. We are made from the same stuff, and are inextricable from it. The possibilities that this revelation opens are endless. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog Last edited by Elspode; 10-24-2006 at 02:06 PM.

10-24-2006, 02:11 PM	#35
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Some of the things which are made clear by shunning convention and following logic are not what you would expect. Skepticism, when applied with a pre-determined agenda, shoots itself in the foot, IE "garbage in, garbage out" . . . __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 10-24-2006 at 02:17 PM.

10-24-2006, 02:27 PM	#38
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I sound like a nutjob when I get in a hurry... I firmly believe that everything has an explanation. There are definitely some things which are un-knowable from our limited persepctive, but giving up on a rational explanation is the antithesis of my philosophy. If any part of science or spirituality was in conflict with the other, for me, I would know that there is something which needs to be rejected. If it doesn't fit in my picture, then either it is wrong or my picture is wrong. It just needs to be hashed out. I believe that everything can be expressed as an equation, but it's all the same equation, and most of the complication is created by our own inner struggles. There is one universe, and everything is part of it, or X = 1 where X is everything (including science and spirituality...) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 10-24-2006 at 02:33 PM.

10-24-2006, 02:51 PM	#40
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	There's nothing irrational about the spiritual world, we just haven't created the mechanisms yet that render it measurable and quantifiable on a purely physical level. A lot of it is hooey, some of it isn't. There are too many objective, unrelated accounts that point to the same thing to be able to discount them all. If science is eventually able to figure it all out, it won't be because it's able to squish everything into its current template of how the world works. When phrenology was big, do you think that any of the scientists involved could have grasped a concept like modern neurology? And what we know today will seem laughably crude in 200 years. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-24-2006, 02:08 PM	#34
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Or it's all a load of imagined hooey. You decide.

10-24-2006, 02:23 PM	#37
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	I said it before and I'll say it again. Elspode's posts are truly among my favorite.

10-24-2006, 02:37 PM	#39
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That is the history of humanity: we experience something, we don't understand it, we are highly uncomfortable NOT understanding, and so we ASSIGN some explanation to it. Maybe even assign meaning to it. Unfortunately, as the mistaken explanations firm up in society, they are passed along in lieu of the real explanations. But now we know: the stars aren't pushed by Gods, they only appear to, because the Earth rotates. It isn't an earthquake because the beings are mad at you; techtonic plates shift below the surface of the earth. You don't get sick because you were bad; you get sick because you get a virus or infection or other type of disease. (edit: which of course you could get by being "bad", but you get the idea) "Accepting", in my case, is A) expecting that probability will cause a number of strange things to happen in one's life, and that no further explanation is necessary; B) admitting there are indeed some things that science doesn't explain, but this doesn't mean there isn't a reality-based explanation; C) humans are inexact, faulty, moody and full of error while reality is harshly exact. It's not hard to do once you get the idea. And it allows you to bypass an incredible amount of bullshit. Such as almost everything in this thread. Frightened by a Ouija board? What are you, children? Are you afraid of the dark too? Do you get scared on Halloween?

10-24-2006, 10:50 PM	#44
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I had a Ouija board as a kid ... everybody did, didn't they? I never had one bit of success with it ... not sure if that was lucky or unlucky. I was more of a Magic 8-Ball girl, and had my first fortune telling deck at 10 years old and my first tarot deck at 13. I did have to do an exorcism on a friend's kid's Ouija board once, though. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-25-2006, 12:16 AM	#45
Hubris Boy Keymaster of Gozer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Patapsco Drainage Basin Posts: 471	Ouija boards? Meh. That's kid stuff. On the other hand, some truly dreadful, terrifying things can be conjured using nothing more than a bottle of tequila and a copy of Chutes and Ladders. I'm pretty sure that's how Barbra Streisand was able to cross over into our plane of existence.

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