What makes you feel like offing yourself tonight - Page 3

orthodoc · 01-27-2014, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Ortho...I have your number. Maybe I will send you mine. Your night time is my daytime, so why don't you just ring me when your brain is going stupid on you?

I will PM it. Use it whenever you need.

xxx

Thank you, Ali. I appreciate it.

limey · 01-27-2014, 01:49 PM

Ortho, Ali -SKYPE it.

Sent by thought transference

Aliantha · 01-27-2014, 04:19 PM

I dont have skype. I suppose i could get it though.

limey · 01-27-2014, 05:35 PM

Ali, the basic package is free. With that you can video call anyone lose who has skype wherever they are.

Sent by thought transference

Big Sarge · 01-28-2014, 09:47 AM

Ortho - I'm sorry I missed this thread. I share the same feelings of being broken and beyond repair. I have your back

orthodoc · 01-28-2014, 08:15 PM

Thank you, Sarge. I hope you're not feeling quite that bad right now. If you are, let me know. I also have your back.

An interesting thing ... I delved into the medical literature on Arimidex and tamoxifen, looked up the numbers that don't show up on the generic list of adverse effects, and it appears that depression, mood swings, and emotional lability are quite common with both of these meds. It's about 10%; most of us wouldn't feel too comfortable consenting to a surgical procedure that had a 10% mortality rate, I imagine. Since being on these meds (tamoxifen for 7 months, Arimidex/anastrozole for 3), I've had some scary issues. Not for patients, as I've outlined here and in other threads, but alone at night. And an ongoing general depression.

The last instance was enough that I've decided to stop the Arimidex, take a 'holiday' of several weeks, and see what happens. Recently I've developed left foot pain so severe that every step hurts, as well. I know I don't have a metatarsal fracture but it hurts that much. So goodbye to Arimidex and I'll maybe try eating 14 g of soy protein daily. Some Chinese studies have shown that that level of soy intake confers as much benefit regarding recurrence as tamoxifen does.

If I can't walk, it's no sort of life. If I think about offing myself every third night, it's also no sort of life. So I'll give this a try.

wolf · 01-31-2014, 01:10 AM

My best friend is a (The, if you ask me) leading breast ca doc in eastern PA. I can ask her any questions you would like answers on. Her approach is more holistic than most.

Big Sarge · 01-31-2014, 03:44 AM

studies have shown that tequila makes your worries go away and sometimes your clothes, too.

orthodoc · 02-01-2014, 02:27 AM

Tequila definitely makes your clothes go away, which is why I stick to Scotch.

orthodoc · 02-01-2014, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf

My best friend is a (The, if you ask me) leading breast ca doc in eastern PA. I can ask her any questions you would like answers on. Her approach is more holistic than most.

Thank you, wolf. I'll pm you.

monster · 02-02-2014, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orthodoc

most of us wouldn't feel too comfortable consenting to a surgical procedure that had a 10% mortality rate, I imagine. .

Not if the short-term mortality rate without the procedure was 100%

orthodoc · 02-02-2014, 08:42 PM

Thanks for the sarcasm, but it's misplaced. The short-term risk without the 'procedure' is about 20%, not anywhere near 100%. That can be altered by a number of lifestyle choices. Nevertheless, stats only give predictions for populations. Individuals are another matter.

If the 'procedure' means I can't walk or think straight, who else but the person experiencing these things is qualified to decide whether the side effects are worth it? I realize that others may have a different take on this. I haven't come to this decision lightly. For me, it's right.

sexobon · 02-02-2014, 10:03 PM

May I suggest that you tag this thread and any others in which you post thoughts pertinent to your decisions in this matter. If in the future, 1year, 5 years, 10 years from now you should ever have reason to second guess yourself, it may be helpful to review documentation of your state of mind at this time rather than trying to recall it from memory. Tagging would make it easy to get all the information in one place, at one time, and in chronological order for you and perhaps important others to review. A simple tag like “orthohx” would do. Memory aids can be wonderful things.

orthodoc · 02-03-2014, 08:59 PM

Thank you, sexobon, that's an excellent idea. Once I figure out how to tag a thread, I'll do it. I agree; having access to the reasons I made certain decisions will be useful in future.

monster · 02-03-2014, 09:07 PM

Not sarcasm. Mathematics. And exaggeration to make the point/give a little perspective. 10% is not all that bad when facing life-saving surgery. You can't make a judgment or make a valid point if you only give the chance of mortality for one of the two options because it implies zero for the other option.

01-27-2014, 01:49 PM	#32
limey Encroaching on your decrees Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An island within the south-west coast of Scotland Posts: 7,016	Ortho, Ali -SKYPE it. Sent by thought transference __________________ Living it up on the edge ... of civilisation, within the southwest coast of

01-27-2014, 04:19 PM	#33
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I dont have skype. I suppose i could get it though. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-27-2014, 05:35 PM	#34
limey Encroaching on your decrees Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An island within the south-west coast of Scotland Posts: 7,016	Ali, the basic package is free. With that you can video call anyone lose who has skype wherever they are. Sent by thought transference __________________ Living it up on the edge ... of civilisation, within the southwest coast of

01-28-2014, 09:47 AM	#35
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Ortho - I'm sorry I missed this thread. I share the same feelings of being broken and beyond repair. I have your back __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

01-28-2014, 08:15 PM	#36
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Thank you, Sarge. I hope you're not feeling quite that bad right now. If you are, let me know. I also have your back. An interesting thing ... I delved into the medical literature on Arimidex and tamoxifen, looked up the numbers that don't show up on the generic list of adverse effects, and it appears that depression, mood swings, and emotional lability are quite common with both of these meds. It's about 10%; most of us wouldn't feel too comfortable consenting to a surgical procedure that had a 10% mortality rate, I imagine. Since being on these meds (tamoxifen for 7 months, Arimidex/anastrozole for 3), I've had some scary issues. Not for patients, as I've outlined here and in other threads, but alone at night. And an ongoing general depression. The last instance was enough that I've decided to stop the Arimidex, take a 'holiday' of several weeks, and see what happens. Recently I've developed left foot pain so severe that every step hurts, as well. I know I don't have a metatarsal fracture but it hurts that much. So goodbye to Arimidex and I'll maybe try eating 14 g of soy protein daily. Some Chinese studies have shown that that level of soy intake confers as much benefit regarding recurrence as tamoxifen does. If I can't walk, it's no sort of life. If I think about offing myself every third night, it's also no sort of life. So I'll give this a try. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

01-31-2014, 01:10 AM	#37
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	My best friend is a (The, if you ask me) leading breast ca doc in eastern PA. I can ask her any questions you would like answers on. Her approach is more holistic than most. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-31-2014, 03:44 AM	#38
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	studies have shown that tequila makes your worries go away and sometimes your clothes, too. __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

02-01-2014, 02:27 AM	#39
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Tequila definitely makes your clothes go away, which is why I stick to Scotch. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

02-02-2014, 08:42 PM	#42
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Thanks for the sarcasm, but it's misplaced. The short-term risk without the 'procedure' is about 20%, not anywhere near 100%. That can be altered by a number of lifestyle choices. Nevertheless, stats only give predictions for populations. Individuals are another matter. If the 'procedure' means I can't walk or think straight, who else but the person experiencing these things is qualified to decide whether the side effects are worth it? I realize that others may have a different take on this. I haven't come to this decision lightly. For me, it's right. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

02-02-2014, 10:03 PM	#43
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	May I suggest that you tag this thread and any others in which you post thoughts pertinent to your decisions in this matter. If in the future, 1year, 5 years, 10 years from now you should ever have reason to second guess yourself, it may be helpful to review documentation of your state of mind at this time rather than trying to recall it from memory. Tagging would make it easy to get all the information in one place, at one time, and in chronological order for you and perhaps important others to review. A simple tag like “orthohx” would do. Memory aids can be wonderful things.

02-03-2014, 08:59 PM	#44
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Thank you, sexobon, that's an excellent idea. Once I figure out how to tag a thread, I'll do it. I agree; having access to the reasons I made certain decisions will be useful in future. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

02-03-2014, 09:07 PM	#45
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Not sarcasm. Mathematics. And exaggeration to make the point/give a little perspective. 10% is not all that bad when facing life-saving surgery. You can't make a judgment or make a valid point if you only give the chance of mortality for one of the two options because it implies zero for the other option. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

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