Interesting graphs and charts department - Page 6

ZenGum · 09-11-2011, 07:58 PM

I'm a bit late but ...

That graph of German energy has some shenanigans in it.

It shows separate categories for "hard coal" and "lignite".

Lignite is coal. It is also called brown coal or soft coal, as opposed to anthracite/ black coal/ hard coal. It is by far dirtier in terms of CO2 and other pollutants.

IMHO, these two should have been given parallel names (either lignite and anthracite, OR brown coal and black coal) and they should have been adjacent on the pie chart. As it is it hides how much energy Germany really got from coal.

HOWEVER! Post Fukushima, Germany has decided to phase out all nuclear energy, and replace it with solar. They should be there in 10 years. They have also made big reductions in energy use.

footfootfoot · 09-11-2011, 08:57 PM

Obviously Germany's not in it for the hunting. They've gotten soft when it comes to profits over people.

Lamplighter · 09-12-2011, 10:18 AM

The EPA Clean Air Act was established in 1974

Non-attainment = failed to mean standard
W = whole county
P = partial county

What happened in 2004 in OH, PA, WV, and many other states ?

HungLikeJesus · 09-12-2011, 02:21 PM

We've been focused on energy lately, so I thought that this was appropriate. This site shows energy expenditure per capita for 2009 (though without much explanation).

http://energy.gov/maps/2009-energy-expenditure-person

Click on the states to get more details. I would have thought that California would be high, and Texas and Wyoming would be low, but that's not the case. It would be helpful to see a breakdown by end-use.

glatt · 09-12-2011, 02:57 PM

Well, the biggies for energy use are climate control and transportation, so a rural state, where you have to drive just to get to your mail box, would require more energy use than a city. And a temperate climate like California where you don't need much heating or cooling would be better too. Also, the cost of energy is going to depend on where the energy comes from, and the industry regulations you have in place.

Clodfobble · 09-12-2011, 09:18 PM

Yeah, when you pack a lot of people into a small space, your rating on that chart gets better. Even in the areas where Texas has a high population, we're still really spread out. We have no viable/widespread public transportation in any of our cities.

Plus, heating is done by gas in most of the country, but cooling is still generally electric, which is less efficient. And we do way more cooling here than we do heating.

footfootfoot · 09-13-2011, 12:05 PM

Do you use swamp coolers or is it too humid in Texas?

Sundae · 09-13-2011, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt

... a temperate climate like California where you don't need much heating or cooling

YMMV!

Clodfobble · 09-13-2011, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Do you use swamp coolers or is it too humid in Texas?

I have no idea what one of those is, so I'm going to guess it's too humid. It's just giant outdoor fan units, usually 2 of them for any house over about 1700 square feet.

footfootfoot · 09-13-2011, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I have no idea what one of those is, so I'm going to guess it's too humid. It's just giant outdoor fan units, usually 2 of them for any house over about 1700 square feet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporative_cooler

classicman · 09-13-2011, 11:19 PM

This makes the issue pretty obvious...

classicman · 09-13-2011, 11:20 PM

There are some "interesting" stats from this link.

glatt · 09-14-2011, 12:10 PM

Chesapeake Bay has been having trouble for a long time (decades) with nitrogen rich runoff from farms and suburbs. It causes algea to grow, which kills the fish and shellfish in the Bay. The recent flooding is going to have a huge impact on the Bay. The amount of shit (literally) that has contaminated the Bay this week is remarkable.

Here's a picture from before the flooding. Taken August 23, 2011. Followed by a picture taken yesterday. (Thanks, NASA!)

infinite monkey · 09-14-2011, 12:14 PM

Ugh, glatt. That sucks.

Here is a VERY interesting graph. Discuss amongst yourselves.

infinite monkey · 09-14-2011, 12:19 PM

Since we've been discussing toast I thought this was interesting:

09-11-2011, 07:58 PM	#76
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I'm a bit late but ... That graph of German energy has some shenanigans in it. It shows separate categories for "hard coal" and "lignite". Lignite is coal. It is also called brown coal or soft coal, as opposed to anthracite/ black coal/ hard coal. It is by far dirtier in terms of CO2 and other pollutants. IMHO, these two should have been given parallel names (either lignite and anthracite, OR brown coal and black coal) and they should have been adjacent on the pie chart. As it is it hides how much energy Germany really got from coal. HOWEVER! Post Fukushima, Germany has decided to phase out all nuclear energy, and replace it with solar. They should be there in 10 years. They have also made big reductions in energy use. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

09-11-2011, 08:57 PM	#77
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Obviously Germany's not in it for the hunting. They've gotten soft when it comes to profits over people. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

09-12-2011, 10:18 AM	#78
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	EPA Green Book air quality 1978 - 2010 The EPA Clean Air Act was established in 1974 Non-attainment = failed to mean standard W = whole county P = partial county What happened in 2004 in OH, PA, WV, and many other states ?

09-12-2011, 02:21 PM	#79
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	We've been focused on energy lately, so I thought that this was appropriate. This site shows energy expenditure per capita for 2009 (though without much explanation). http://energy.gov/maps/2009-energy-expenditure-person Click on the states to get more details. I would have thought that California would be high, and Texas and Wyoming would be low, but that's not the case. It would be helpful to see a breakdown by end-use. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

09-12-2011, 09:18 PM	#81
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Yeah, when you pack a lot of people into a small space, your rating on that chart gets better. Even in the areas where Texas has a high population, we're still really spread out. We have no viable/widespread public transportation in any of our cities. Plus, heating is done by gas in most of the country, but cooling is still generally electric, which is less efficient. And we do way more cooling here than we do heating. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

09-12-2011, 02:57 PM	#80
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Well, the biggies for energy use are climate control and transportation, so a rural state, where you have to drive just to get to your mail box, would require more energy use than a city. And a temperate climate like California where you don't need much heating or cooling would be better too. Also, the cost of energy is going to depend on where the energy comes from, and the industry regulations you have in place.

09-13-2011, 12:05 PM	#82
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Do you use swamp coolers or is it too humid in Texas? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

09-13-2011, 11:19 PM	#86
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	This makes the issue pretty obvious... Attached Images __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-13-2011, 11:20 PM	#87
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	There are some "interesting" stats from this link. Attached Images __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-14-2011, 12:10 PM	#88
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Chesapeake Bay has been having trouble for a long time (decades) with nitrogen rich runoff from farms and suburbs. It causes algea to grow, which kills the fish and shellfish in the Bay. The recent flooding is going to have a huge impact on the Bay. The amount of shit (literally) that has contaminated the Bay this week is remarkable. Here's a picture from before the flooding. Taken August 23, 2011. Followed by a picture taken yesterday. (Thanks, NASA!) Attached Images

09-14-2011, 12:14 PM	#89
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Ugh, glatt. That sucks. Here is a VERY interesting graph. Discuss amongst yourselves. Attached Images

09-14-2011, 12:19 PM	#90
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Since we've been discussing toast I thought this was interesting: Attached Images

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