What's upsetting you today?

[DanaC]

same thing that's upsetting many of us I expect.

Damn it all.

[Griff]

Yeah, I think we've all lost the wind from our sails.

[DanaC]

This is a really dumb and selfcentred thing to be upset about when set against what's actually happened, but:

The thing that alerted me to the fact that all might not be well with tril, was when I tried to go to her fb page and got a message saying: This account has been deactivated. Only you can see CC on your friends list. You may unfriend CC if you wish. Or words to that effect.

I assumed that meant the account and page had been closed down entirely.

Then a stray comment from someone about the fact that the account had never stopped working for them, so they'd not been alerted as I had. I didn;t think much about that at the time.

Then today I was looking at dwellar's friends lists for some of the dwellars I haven't seen on there yet. And I saw CC as one of our mutual friends. As on my friends list the avatar is a white on blue blank face, but, I clocked on her name expecting to find a deactivated account message and instead I got her facebook page. Still there. With updates gone, but friends lists and basic details. And a Add Friend button.

I thought the account had gone, but was I actually unfriended?

When I click on her name in my own friends list I get the deactiavted message still.

[infinite monkey]

I don't know. I saw the same thing you saw with the blank face and her name, a couple pictures, and her 'friends' list.

It's very strange. Of course, the whole thing is surreal.

[glatt]

Facebook is weird.

On my phone, I now have two entries for her on FB. One with her picture that doesn't work, and one with no picture that does work, but that is missing her updates from the last year.

On my PC, I can only see the entry that works, but you aren't listed as one of her friends there, and all her updates from the last year are gone.

Did you friend her in the last year? Maybe everything from the last year is gone.

Whenever FB acts wonky, I blame FB.

[DanaC]

Not being able to ask her broke a dam. I'm still crying. I don't mean just the friending thing, but her absence, and the finality of it.

She knew, I think, that I cared for her. But I don't think I ever told her that I looked up to her. Her approval over some thing said, or written was something I really valued.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by glatt

Facebook is weird.

On my phone, I now have two entries for her on FB. One with her picture that doesn't work, and one with no picture that does work, but that is missing her updates from the last year.

On my PC, I can only see the entry that works, but you aren't listed as one of her friends there, and all her updates from the last year are gone.

Did you friend her in the last year? Maybe everything from the last year is gone.

Whenever FB acts wonky, I blame FB.

I did yes. ok, maybe that's what it is.

Thanks. Whether that is it or not, your experience suggests a fb quirk is more likely responsible.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Most likely facebook, because she told me how much she liked you and respected your view of life and the world.
I haven't worked up the courage to delete her from my address book. I guess I haven't accepted it yet.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Not being able to ask her broke a dam. I'm still crying. I don't mean just the friending thing, but her absence, and the finality of it.

She knew, I think, that I cared for her. But I don't think I ever told her that I looked up to her. Her approval over some thing said, or written was something I really valued.

I know. It hits me at weird times.

There was something earlier that triggered a memory. Something she said a lot that cracked me up? I can't remember it now.

I still can't believe it. It doesn't seem real.

[monster]

dana I suspect that was my stray comment. turns out i don't use fb the way you do. i just typ ein the name and it goes to the page. if i go to my friends, i get the samething you do. scuse typing no lenses. rememebered I meant to tellyou this before I went to bed

[BigV]

Andy has recently developed a fondness for reverse engineering footwear. He's not hungry, he leaves the pieces right there and there's food and water in the next room, he's not bored, Tucker Mojo is right here to play with, SonofV and I are both in the same room, he's not stressed out in any way I can determine, we're all just hanging out this afternoon...

But I want to kill him when I look over and see another shoe in pieces.

[DanaC]

That sucks V.

Thanks all on the fb thing. I meant to post once I got home (really hate posting with phone) then forgot. Made me feel better.

[chrisinhouston]

I am upset about 3 things:

1. My body clock is all off from flying back from Hawaii and fell asleep at 9 PM but woke up at 12:20 AM and am still awake. This after not sleeping at all on the 11 hours it took to get home much of which was at night!

2. There is still something in my attic. I think it is a rat because he is most active at night, I heard him chewing on something above our bedroom. We cannot find any entry point outside and our house has brick walls! No holes along the roof line or anywhere we can see. We have been hearing this for a few months now.

3. A piece of an old amalgam filling on an upper back molar broke off. I haven't had a metal filling in 35 years so it's an oldie but now I need to make an appointment with the dentist.

[Lamplighter]

Some of you may remember my posting pictures of the demolition of the Gold Ray Dam in Oregon in 2010.
The year before that, the dam on the Sandy River was also demolished.
The idea behind these demonlitions was to remove barriers to salmon spawning in waters up river of the dams.

Great !
Now comes the "Native Fish Society" ...

Oregon Live.com
3/18/13

Judge to rule on stopping salmon release by Sandy Hatchery

A small but feisty fish conservation group is asking a federal judge Wednesday
to take the unprecedented action of stopping Oregon's seasonal release
of juvenile salmon and steelhead in the Sandy River.

The Oregon City-based Native Fish Society filed suit against Oregon fishery officials
and the National Marine Fisheries Service two years ago, contending releases from the Sandy Hatchery
harms threatened salmon and steelhead.

Well that all sounds very good: "native fish" instead of all those "nasty" hatchery fish.
Why would anyone argue with that ?
Well, ....

The federal fisheries service countered that lawsuit has many legal and technical errors;
that the hatchery complies with federal law;
that the state will use newly required conditions for release, monitoring and trapping;
and that the plan needs three years to see if it works.

In its rebuttal, ODFW said if releases are stopped, it will have to kill the Sandy smolts
because the agency limits their use in other rivers.
"Also, if hatchery releases are enjoined for an extended period of time,
it would likely limit or effectively end sport fisheries in the Sandy," ODFW biologist Todd Alsbury wrote.
"We might also be required to shut down the hatchery."

So what, those rebuttals are just the government bureaucrats protecting their jobs. Aren't they ?

Well, maybe not...
The following is what the Native Fish Society's says about itself:

The Oregon Hatchery Accountability Project

The Native Fish Society has commenced efforts to determine both the ecological
as well as fiscal accountability in the operation of Oregon’s hatchery system.
The objective of this project is to provide an economic evaluation of the risk vs. benefit
of each hatchery to determine the return on investment made by Oregon’s taxpayers.

The politics of salmon in Oregon is akin to a hurricane.
The Oregon Dept of Fish and Wildlife has been put under
the administration control of the Oregon Dept of Forestry.
That sounds OK... until you realize this is the same Department
that controls commercial logging and is an immense advocate
for the timber industry.

Just because the name of the group sounds good, don't be fooled
by the intent of the people running the organization.

Likewise, claims that hatchery fish are inferior to native fish sound believable,
until it's pointed out that in many hatcheries, it is the wild,
native fish returning to spawn that are captured and used
as the breedimg stock for the smolts to be raised in the hatchery
and then released.

There is a difference between "conservation" and "conservative" politics.
.

[ZenGum]

Just because the name of the group sounds good, don't be fooled
by the intent of the people running the organization.

Universal truth number 29. I'm surprised they didn't drop "patriotic" and "family" into their name somewhere.