There's lumberthing I want to tell you - Page 17

Clodfobble · 01-26-2015, 05:12 PM

Sorry about your friend, Jim.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-26-2015, 05:36 PM

Sorry Jim, losing friends sucks.

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Originally Posted by glatt

Doctors are trained to keep treating the patient. It's not their job to wonder if they should treat the patient.

Doctors are bound by oath and law to do everything they can to keep you alive, until somebody tells them to stop. Unless you spell it out clearly ahead of time it's left to spouse/kids who say, For Mom/Dad, of course, do everything possible. They don't want to think about how much suffering Mom/Pop are experiencing by dragging it out. They don't want to be the one to say pull the plug. So Mom/Pop lives a few more months or a year in a miserable state.

Obamacare had a provision to pay doctors to sit down with patients and explain their end of life options and how to guarantee it would happen the way they want. The disloyal opposition screamed, "Death Panels".

I think I posted a chart on what doctors chose for themselves. It was very heavy on pain relief, and very light on extraordinary measures.

BigV · 01-26-2015, 06:58 PM

Yes, I remember such a news item. Presumably, these are people who love life as much as I do, who dislike pain as much as I do, and yet choose dramatically different end of life plans than I would. Presumably, the only difference is that they're better informed about the process. Something to be learned there.

classicman · 01-26-2015, 10:19 PM

Sorry Jim. Getting older sux. We know and know of more people dying.

DanaC · 01-27-2015, 05:55 AM

Damn, Jim, that's so sad.

fargon · 01-27-2015, 06:51 AM

So sorry for your loss Jim.

Griff · 01-27-2015, 07:21 AM

Sorry Jim, sounds like a rough way to go.

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Originally Posted by classicman

Sorry Jim. Getting older sux. We know and know of more people dying.

Beats the alternative?

limey · 01-27-2015, 07:58 AM

So sorry, Jim.

Sent by thought transference

Spexxvet · 01-27-2015, 09:02 AM

My condolences, Jim.

Undertoad · 01-27-2015, 10:46 AM

Sorry to hear of this.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-27-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Sorry Jim. Getting older sux. We know and know of more people dying.

First it was mostly people I knew as friends of my folks, then Vietnam took people I knew, and sometimes older people I worked with kicked off, but not many personal friends. About twenty years ago suddenly friends started dropping in their late 40s and 50s, and as classicman said, that sux.

A friend recently joined facebook to try and connect with some of the many musicians he'd played with over the years. What he found was he was wasting his time, because most of them were dead.

Griff asked

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Beats the alternative?

Good question, is it better to miss than be missed?

glatt · 01-27-2015, 03:17 PM

It's shocking when they are your age. Fortunately there haven't been too many of those yet for me.

infinite monkey · 01-27-2015, 07:01 PM

I'm sorry jim. I've lost some good friends in the last few years, and I agree with the sentiments expressed by other dwellars.

The fact that you were moved enough to write about him, well, he sounds like a neat guy, and interesting guy, and that's a pretty cool way to have lived.

lumberjim · 01-27-2015, 08:01 PM

thanks shaw ( and all y'all )

It's a bummer, but it was inevitable, and I saw it coming a long way off, so I'm not really all that upset about it. That's kind of why I put it in this thread. I'm more relieved that he's at rest. We had some fun times.

BigV · 01-28-2015, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

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Good question, is it better to miss than be missed?

it's better to miss.

there's plenty of time to be missed later, and others can do it for you. I'll miss as long as I can. it hurts, true. still. I want to live.

01-26-2015, 05:12 PM	#241
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Sorry about your friend, Jim. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

01-26-2015, 06:58 PM	#243
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Yes, I remember such a news item. Presumably, these are people who love life as much as I do, who dislike pain as much as I do, and yet choose dramatically different end of life plans than I would. Presumably, the only difference is that they're better informed about the process. Something to be learned there. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

01-26-2015, 10:19 PM	#244
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Sorry Jim. Getting older sux. We know and know of more people dying. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	So sorry for your loss Jim. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

01-27-2015, 07:58 AM	#248
limey Encroaching on your decrees Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An island within the south-west coast of Scotland Posts: 7,016	So sorry, Jim. Sent by thought transference __________________ Living it up on the edge ... of civilisation, within the southwest coast of

01-27-2015, 09:02 AM	#249
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	My condolences, Jim. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

01-27-2015, 10:46 AM	#250
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Sorry to hear of this.

01-27-2015, 03:17 PM	#252
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	It's shocking when they are your age. Fortunately there haven't been too many of those yet for me.

01-27-2015, 07:01 PM	#253
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	I'm sorry jim. I've lost some good friends in the last few years, and I agree with the sentiments expressed by other dwellars. The fact that you were moved enough to write about him, well, he sounds like a neat guy, and interesting guy, and that's a pretty cool way to have lived.

01-27-2015, 08:01 PM	#254
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	thanks shaw ( and all y'all ) It's a bummer, but it was inevitable, and I saw it coming a long way off, so I'm not really all that upset about it. That's kind of why I put it in this thread. I'm more relieved that he's at rest. We had some fun times. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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