Why, oh why? - Page 2

casimendocina · 12-17-2010, 04:18 PM

Lamplighter · 12-17-2010, 05:51 PM

OK, in keeping with the title of the thread...

Why, oh why do I need to get scissors or a knife to open a bag of coffee ?

There's a special hell (very intense) for those who design packaging

Undertoad · 12-17-2010, 06:06 PM

Coffee is a unique product, with unique packaging needs. After the beans are roasted, they need to be vacuum packed right away for freshness, but they also "outgas" for a while. So they need a flexible vacuum package with a completely airtight seal, and a little valve that lets air out, but not in.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-18-2010, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

....but they also "outgas" for a while.

Coffee beans eat Brussels sprouts?

DanaC · 12-18-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Coffee is a unique product, with unique packaging needs. After the beans are roasted, they need to be vacuum packed right away for freshness, but they also "outgas" for a while. So they need a flexible vacuum package with a completely airtight seal, and a little valve that lets air out, but not in.

I did not know that! I've always wondered why there was so much room in a coffee bag.

limey · 12-18-2010, 07:11 AM

Nice UT but I don't buy it (the theory, not the coffee). Some coffee here is is bags like you describe, but other brands are vacuum sealed in(to) solid block shapes, and once you break the seal by cutting (scissors, lamp, a kitchen can never have too many pairs of scissors) the package becomes floppy. (fnar fnar, I said the package becomes floppy!)

Undertoad · 12-18-2010, 10:36 AM

It depends on how good you want your coffee to be. The stuff in bricks is pre-ground of beans that have sat around and outgassed before packaging. Coffee snobs such as myself would consider that stale, and it results in a harsher cup.

Also, we got used to "bad" ways of packaging coffee before all this was worked out. S'only in the last 20 years that they worked out a way to vacuum-pack AND have the little one-way valve AND have it all be cheap enough to work.

Griff · 12-18-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Why, oh why?

What is the haunting refrain of the debut single by Canadian singer-songwriter Sarah McLachlan, for $500, please?

She had a couple non-starter albums before Fumbling towards Ecstasy. Are you thinking of I Will Remember You off that or an earlier cut?

That I will remember you
Will you remember me?
Don't let your life pass you by
Weep not for the memories

limey · 12-18-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

It depends on how good you want your coffee to be. The stuff in bricks is pre-ground of beans that have sat around and outgassed before packaging. Coffee snobs such as myself would consider that stale, and it results in a harsher cup.

Also, we got used to "bad" ways of packaging coffee before all this was worked out. S'only in the last 20 years that they worked out a way to vacuum-pack AND have the little one-way valve AND have it all be cheap enough to work.

OK I'll buy that. Over here the valve thingie is sold as a way to sniff the lovely coffee smell.

footfootfoot · 12-18-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

She had a couple non-starter albums before Fumbling towards Ecstasy. Are you thinking of I Will Remember You off that or an earlier cut?

That I will remember you
Will you remember me?
Don't let your life pass you by
Weep not for the memories

No, I was making a joke, Vox was her debut single, and "Why Oh Why?" is the haunting refrain. cf the youtube link cued up to that spot in the song. I was phrasing it a la Jeopardy. Creating a question for an existing answer. If you and Shaw both missed it then I will retract my attempt at humor. For years I thought she was singing "Hawaii" not, "Oh why eeee eee eee?"

Sundae · 12-18-2010, 01:25 PM

WHY do old giffers get up from their seats and push in front of me when getting off the bus?
I'm a polite person - I let them. I barely even roll my eyes.
But then they shuffle along in front of me at zombie speed.
They take a year to get down the step.
And once we're all on terra firma I immediately do my Formula One impression, leaving them in my slipstream.

If I knew I was the slowest person on the bus, I would let other people past.
If I knew someone else was already queueing to get off I would not push in front of them.
If I had manners... Oh wait - I'm getting to the bottom of things here.

Bloody rude OAPs.
Just because they had a war once.

Griff · 12-18-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

No, I was making a joke, Vox was her debut single, and "Why Oh Why?" is the haunting refrain. cf the youtube link cued up to that spot in the song. I was phrasing it a la Jeopardy. Creating a question for an existing answer. If you and Shaw both missed it then I will retract my attempt at humor. For years I thought she was singing "Hawaii" not, "Oh why eeee eee eee?"

humor impaired *sigh*

xoxoxoBruce · 12-18-2010, 05:50 PM

Don't feel bad Griff, 3-foot's way too advanced for most of us, in the obscure humor connection category. He comes up with some brilliant ones, that fly over mere mortal's heads. Occasionally I'll read one, then hours later say, Hey, wait a minute.

Shawnee123 · 12-18-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

No, I was making a joke, Vox was her debut single, and "Why Oh Why?" is the haunting refrain. cf the youtube link cued up to that spot in the song. I was phrasing it a la Jeopardy. Creating a question for an existing answer. If you and Shaw both missed it then I will retract my attempt at humor. For years I thought she was singing "Hawaii" not, "Oh why eeee eee eee?"

I got the jeopardy thing and knew what you meant when I listened, but I thought possession was her debut single.

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Originally Posted by Griff

humor impaired *sigh*

That's OK, I'm music impaired.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Don't feel bad Griff, 3-foot's way too advanced for most of us, in the obscure humor connection category. He comes up with some brilliant ones, that fly over mere mortal's heads. Occasionally I'll read one, then hours later say, Hey, wait a minute.

I HATE being out-obscured/joked.

casimendocina · 12-19-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by limey

Nice UT but I don't buy it (the theory, not the coffee). Some coffee here is is bags like you describe, but other brands are vacuum sealed in(to) solid block shapes, and once you break the seal by cutting (scissors, lamp, a kitchen can never have too many pairs of scissors) the package becomes floppy. (fnar fnar, I said the package becomes floppy!)

I like hearing the hiss of air that comes out of the brick shaped ones when you open them thereby breaking the vacuum packed seal. (Alright, alright...small things amuse small minds).

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12-18-2010, 01:25 PM	#26
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	WHY do old giffers get up from their seats and push in front of me when getting off the bus? I'm a polite person - I let them. I barely even roll my eyes. But then they shuffle along in front of me at zombie speed. They take a year to get down the step. And once we're all on terra firma I immediately do my Formula One impression, leaving them in my slipstream. If I knew I was the slowest person on the bus, I would let other people past. If I knew someone else was already queueing to get off I would not push in front of them. If I had manners... Oh wait - I'm getting to the bottom of things here. Bloody rude OAPs. Just because they had a war once. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

12-18-2010, 05:50 PM	#28
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Don't feel bad Griff, 3-foot's way too advanced for most of us, in the obscure humor connection category. He comes up with some brilliant ones, that fly over mere mortal's heads. Occasionally I'll read one, then hours later say, Hey, wait a minute. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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12-17-2010, 05:51 PM	#17
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	OK, in keeping with the title of the thread... Why, oh why do I need to get scissors or a knife to open a bag of coffee ? There's a special hell (very intense) for those who design packaging

12-17-2010, 06:06 PM	#18
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Coffee is a unique product, with unique packaging needs. After the beans are roasted, they need to be vacuum packed right away for freshness, but they also "outgas" for a while. So they need a flexible vacuum package with a completely airtight seal, and a little valve that lets air out, but not in.

12-18-2010, 10:36 AM	#22
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It depends on how good you want your coffee to be. The stuff in bricks is pre-ground of beans that have sat around and outgassed before packaging. Coffee snobs such as myself would consider that stale, and it results in a harsher cup. Also, we got used to "bad" ways of packaging coffee before all this was worked out. S'only in the last 20 years that they worked out a way to vacuum-pack AND have the little one-way valve AND have it all be cheap enough to work.

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