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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Arlington, VA
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Deep hole that's about 2 meters deep and they don't know what's down there?
Um, maybe shine a flashlight/torch down there? |
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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Why are they calling anyone, if they have a hole in their lawn, fix it.
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I have a very poor understanding of UK real estate laws. I just know they are bizarre. |
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Buckinghamshire UK
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The general consensus of opinion is that the hole is an access chamber to a sewer which serves all the houses along the road.
It seems that the steel, or possibly iron, cover was turfed over many years ago and has finally rusted through. The square indentation in the surface is a bit of a giveaway. When Sundae brought this to my attention, I thought that my dungeon, nuclear fallout shelter and all purpose man cave had been discovered. One can rest easy in one's bed tonight. ![]()
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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Ah yes, I forgot about that socialist set up. In that case, if someone falls into that hole, I wonder who gets sued?
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Yorkshire
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Either the local authority or the water company with responsibility for sewerage in that area I'd have thought.
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The owner owns the structure and the plot on which it sits lock, stock and barrel. In the property deeds there will be details of utilities which cross the land and who is responsible for them. Sometimes, a specific public utility will be shown to have access for necessary work to be carried out.* In this instance, although I cannot be certain, I think that the property owner will be responsible for maintenance and repairs. *ETA We have a pole on the boundary with our neighbour which carries power and telephone cables. Occasionally, when work is required, one of the crew knocks on the door and asks if it is OK to do so. It's all done on an informal basis and it's very unlikely that someone will march to your door waving a High Court order.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South Central...KY that is
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Big V, thanks for posting that Seattle Fire audio. It took me back to when I was into scanning/ham/shortwave.
I still say it ain't safe there. GTFO, man!!
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Same here, in that you own the property and buildings on it, but there are utility right of ways on the deed which entitle them to use the land (usually over or under) for their systems. My deed even has a gas pipeline like this one, a half mile away because when it was laid one guy owned the whole road. When the properties were broken off, everything on the original deed is copied onto each deed although it doesn't pertain to that property.
This past summer the township sewer authority* took a 50 foot swath by eminent domain, the whole length of my property to cut all the trees and bury a 3 ft diameter sewer line through my backyard. * We have the authority to do anything we want, and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. If you doubt it see SCOTUS ruling Kelo v. the city of New London.
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To shreds, you say?
Join Date: Aug 2004
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The other aspect about the case before it went to trial was that the guy who was holding out refused their initial offer of far more than the property was worth because he was the last hold out and he thought he could squeeze even more out of the development corp. His motives were greed, OK, but he made a gamble and then lost. He went on to fight it and played the "My poor old home means so much to me..." card to gain sympathy for his cause. In a real way, if you want to lay the blame for the effects of the SCOTUS ruling on eminent domain, it could go directly on the shoulders of the guy who was a holdout. Had he not made such a fuss it wouldn't have gone to the supreme court and perhaps (for better or worse) pfizer may not have chosen to leave. I'd be willing to bet the bad press, bad blood, and general hassle contributed to their decision to "fuck this place, they are pains in the ass." Had pfizer stayed in the town its residents undoubtedly would have savored the crumbs that fell from the mouth of the company's $48 billion annual revenue (at the time) Frankkly the guy was being a greedy douche ad only thinking of himself. The development corporation actually did have the improvement of the town in mind. As I said, I know people involved and neighborhood and town rejuvenation is a consistent theme. I think it is possible to be a good business person and have consideration for other people. Unless you have an MBA.
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SCOTUS of all people should be able to see the long range effect of this ruling. They had to know full well they were killing the sanctity of private property. So if some deep pockets comes along, the powers can take your property, pay you what they decide it's worth, and give it to deep pockets on the promise it will return to them more tax revenue than you would. That ain't right! ![]()
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To shreds, you say?
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I disagree with the court's ruling in every way AND I think the guy was a fuckstick. Even if he did manage to keep his property who is to say anyone would buy it? And if the development went on all around him and taxes were raised, he'd be forced out by not being able to pay his taxes. But he can go down in history as being the guy who went to court not over the principle of the matter but because he wanted more money than he was offered. And now we have that totally fucked up ruling.
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A whole bunch of people were driven out of their homes for nothing, but fuck them they're only little people. This is how it works.
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The(w)hole mystery is solved.
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To shreds, you say?
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And yes, that is how it works. Just so you know, I think the whole thing was a colossal abortion and ended badly.
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