6/3/2003: Iraqi Dervish - Page 3

juju · 06-16-2003, 06:28 PM

I think that's probably the case with just about everyone.

Griff · 06-16-2003, 07:01 PM

Not me. I'm about 90% wrong 10% right but watch yerself when I think I got that 10% mojo risin. I'll have to look over rumi's links but it sounds like sufis parallel the mystics in RCism, Buddism, and elsewhere, just looking for that transcendent experience which often has little to do with the way the religion they're rooted in is organized. But now I have to follow the link so I don't get picked off.

Bitmap · 06-16-2003, 07:14 PM

I'm acutality right 100% of the tiem.

But keep arguing and discussing i'm enjoying this thread.

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Tobiasly · 06-17-2003, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juju
Come on, man. Don't be an asshole just because the internet lets you.

Juju, that's the funniest quote I've read in a long time! I'll have to add that one to my repertoire.

goethean · 06-17-2003, 09:50 AM

Quote:

I'm acutality right 100% of the tiem.

That's the funniest quote I've seen in a while.

Undertoad · 06-21-2003, 10:20 AM

It turns out that "Rumi' is the name of an important Sufi poet. Winds of Change, a blog I read, links to this poem today:

http://www.libertyadvance.org/rumi.m....shepherd.html

In it, Allah speaks to Moses to tell him that any way of worship is a good way:

What seems wrong to you is right for him.
What is poison to one is honey to someone else.

Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
these mean nothing to Me.

I am apart from all that.
Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better
or worse than one another.

Hindus do Hindu things.
The Dravidian Muslims in India do what they do.
It's all praise, and it's all right.

It's not Me that's glorified in acts of worship.
It's the worshipers! I don't hear the words
they say. I look inside at the humility.

Rumi, preaching tolerance in the 13th century. It is excellent.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-22-2003, 10:21 AM

Rumi's writings are very cool, BUT....

Quote:

The ocean diver doesn't need snowshoes!

They had snowshoes in the early 13th century? If this is a mistake in translation by E. Shepard then are there other mistakes that are more significant?

goethean · 06-23-2003, 10:15 AM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...wshoes&spell=1

xoxoxoBruce · 07-10-2003, 05:03 PM

TURKEY
Culmination of my coverage for the November 1987 article on Süleyman the Magnificent was photographing the dervishes of the Mevlevi Order in Istanbul. Each December the group commemorates the death of their founder in 1273 by performing this ritual dance with the right hand facing heaven, left hand facing earth. Their spinning symbolizes the planets revolving around God.

07-10-2003, 05:03 PM	#39
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	TURKEY Culmination of my coverage for the November 1987 article on Süleyman the Magnificent was photographing the dervishes of the Mevlevi Order in Istanbul. Each December the group commemorates the death of their founder in 1273 by performing this ritual dance with the right hand facing heaven, left hand facing earth. Their spinning symbolizes the planets revolving around God. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 04-07-2007 at 06:08 PM.

06-16-2003, 06:28 PM	#31
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I think that's probably the case with just about everyone.

06-16-2003, 07:01 PM	#32
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Not me. I'm about 90% wrong 10% right but watch yerself when I think I got that 10% mojo risin. I'll have to look over rumi's links but it sounds like sufis parallel the mystics in RCism, Buddism, and elsewhere, just looking for that transcendent experience which often has little to do with the way the religion they're rooted in is organized. But now I have to follow the link so I don't get picked off.

06-16-2003, 07:14 PM	#33
Bitmap Look who thinks he's clever Dan. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington DC Metro Area. Fairfax city Posts: 226	I'm acutality right 100% of the tiem. But keep arguing and discussing i'm enjoying this thread. <i>----------------- I like how after you click the "Submit Reply" button it says "Thank you for Contributing" because it never seems like i'm actualy doing that. </i>

06-21-2003, 10:20 AM	#36
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It turns out that "Rumi' is the name of an important Sufi poet. Winds of Change, a blog I read, links to this poem today: http://www.libertyadvance.org/rumi.m....shepherd.html In it, Allah speaks to Moses to tell him that any way of worship is a good way: What seems wrong to you is right for him. What is poison to one is honey to someone else. Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship, these mean nothing to Me. I am apart from all that. Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better or worse than one another. Hindus do Hindu things. The Dravidian Muslims in India do what they do. It's all praise, and it's all right. It's not Me that's glorified in acts of worship. It's the worshipers! I don't hear the words they say. I look inside at the humility. Rumi, preaching tolerance in the 13th century. It is excellent.

06-23-2003, 10:15 AM	#38
goethean ethics evolve. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 60	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...wshoes&spell=1

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