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[Happy Monkey]

If everyone is "in name only" then it doesn't really say anything when you apply it to a particular person.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If everyone is "in name only" then it doesn't really say anything when you apply it to a particular person.

Tell that to all the voters who take R/D ideology seriously, who work overtime to shoehorn themselves and candidates into those boxes.

Those who rule: play the polar game to get, and stay, elected.

Those who are ruled: actually take the poles seriously.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Exactly.

Trump is a non-idealogical state-capitalist usin' Repub machinery.

Rand Paul is a consequentialist libertarian usin' Repub machinery.

buhbuhBernie is a communist, er, democratic socislist (state socialist) usin' Dem machinery.

Mitt is a evangelical sumthin' or other usin' Repub mschinery.

Bill & Hill: a hedonist and an opportunist usin' Dem machinery.

Really, as I think on it, conventional Repub/Dem ideology really doesn't mean much for any of the elected folks. It's just labels to them.

The machinery exists to be used.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Luce

The machinery exists to be used.

By whom, for whom?

(or is it: By who, for who? meh)

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

By whom, for whom?

(or is it: By who, for who? meh)

By politicians, for lobbyists.

And there is not a single federal level politician or appointee that doesn't understand this.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Luce

By politicians, for lobbyists.

And there is not a single federal level politician or appointee that doesn't understand this.

Strange: I thought it was supposed to be by the people, for the people.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That can only happen if the people give a rats ass and participate, but they've delegated that power to the political hacks.

[fargon]

What Bruce said.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Strange: I thought it was supposed to be by the people, for the people.

I suppose that works, if you also believe in the tooth fairy and the immaculate conception of Ayn Rand.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Luce

I suppose that works, if you also believe in the tooth fairy and the immaculate conception of Ayn Rand.

you mean the tooth fairy is a lie and ayn didn't descend from heaven?

i am broken

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That can only happen if the people give a rats ass and participate, but they've delegated that power to the political hacks.

gotta give 'em a reason to give a shit

if everything is provided, folks get fat and stupid

look out your window...or, mebbe, in your mirror...

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

gotta give 'em a reason to give a shit

if everything is provided, folks get fat and stupid

look out your window...or, mebbe, in your mirror...

Balls.

"Everything" is provided, so I can run my department at work without having to spend all my time learning how to install a road, etc, and YOU get to go to work knowing that runoff from our factory isn't going into your drinking water.

[henry quirk]

yep, I got a big brassy pair.

[henry quirk]

no

it's paid for

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Tell that to all the voters who take R/D ideology seriously, who work overtime to shoehorn themselves and candidates into those boxes.

Those who rule: play the polar game to get, and stay, elected.

Those who are ruled: actually take the poles seriously.

I cannot escape a vision of small teams of Ursus maritimus knocking soccer balls around...

C'mon, Henry -- you know full well Ayn Rand, Jewess, crawled out from under Soviet oppression by passenger ship in the 1920's. I guess they hadn't developed refuseniki yet...