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04-09-2009, 01:20 AM | #46 |
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04-09-2009, 01:52 AM | #47 |
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Rather than the vaccination theory, I favour the hygiene hypothesis. Our immune systems are (roughly) bored because of the super-sterile environment we raise kids in, and will attack anything that looks suspicious - pollen, dust mites (i.e. asthma), peanuts, etc etc.
Did you know that the words vaccination and buckeroo are related?
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One theory also put forward is that people with allergies (of any kind) tend to have baby eczema of some kind, which means they usually end up with cremes being applied. Many of the steroid based cremes apparently have/had peanut in them (like with the vaccines). It's thought this might have sparked off sensitivity in youngsters.
On the peanut allergy incidence rates: one problem with ascertaining any rise in cases is that prior to it becoming something everybody knows about, peanut allergy deaths may well have been misdiagnosed as something else. Quote:
I only lived in a 'sterile' environment between ages 12-14, and that was as a response to severe allergies rather than the cause of them. |
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04-09-2009, 01:01 PM | #49 | |
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The hygiene angle makes sense in theory, but in reality not so much (I don't think people are nearly as clean as they think they are, think kitchen sponges etc. - tons of germs)... Look at college dorms and day care centers. They should be the healthiest places around, plenty of germs and over crowding to keep the immune systems of those within entertained - instead they are generally the source of the outbreaks of measles and meningitis etc. that you see on the news.
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04-09-2009, 01:06 PM | #50 |
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'cept that the immune system is largely trained in the first year of life. By the time they make it to college (or daycare, in a large number of cases) the immune system is as trained as it's going to get.
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04-10-2009, 11:18 AM | #51 |
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Proponents of the "leaky gut" theory (which I subscribe to at least insofar as it can lead to autistic behaviors) say that it is the fact that these foods are getting out into our bloodstream where they shouldn't be which causes the unnatural immune response. A majority of autistic kids also have eczema, allergies, asthma, and/or chronic ear infections, and when they go on the diet all of these symptoms miraculously clear up as well--even if they were allergic to say, eggs, which they can still eat on the diet.
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04-10-2009, 11:25 AM | #52 |
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Do they have any theories on what has made more recent generations guts leakier than the previous ones?
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04-10-2009, 12:13 PM | #53 |
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All infants have an "open gut" (it benefits their immune system), which is the reason for the recommendation to avoid giving them anything but breast milk for the first 6 months, and common allergens for at least a year.
Food allergies can cause skin reactions, and can also cause skin reactions in the intestines. The damage from that can cause the leaky gut.
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04-10-2009, 01:03 PM | #54 |
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I couldn't tolerate breast milk. Talk about making the family nuts.
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04-10-2009, 01:56 PM | #55 |
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That used to be a pretty common diagnosis Bruce but it's very unlikely that it was actually true, although it's likely that you couldn't tolerate something in your mothers breast milk.
My daughter could not tolerate cow milk proteins and projectile vomited all over the place for the first few weeks of her life until I got my system clear of dairy. Even non-dairy creamer in my coffee would set her off, so I had to be really careful. I didn't give her anything but breast milk until she was almost 11 mos because I was afraid she would have bad reactions to other things, but she's healthy as a horse now... never been to the doctor because of illness, never had an antibiotic or anything.
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04-11-2009, 06:45 PM | #58 | |
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Merc, can you explain in further detail why you look to fast/processed food as the peanut allergy cause?
I think one argument for the vaccine or baby lotion theories, as opposed to diet, is that the age of diagnosis/onset is lowering as the prevalence is rising. This suggests that first exposure is happening earlier - possibly even earlier than peanuts *should be* in an infant/toddler's diet at all. I can't imagine that people are becoming less careful about this with as much press as it's gotten... but who knows. Quote:
Incidentally, we just got home from my 9 y/o nephew's birthday party. Of 10 kids, 2 of them (unrelated) have severe peanut allergies.
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I think it generally because peanuts have found their way into many processed foods that are fed to children at an early age.
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Unusal case report of an infant with a peanut allergy: http://www.breatherville.org/2009/02...llergy-puzzle/ from the above link: Quote:
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So as we can see the possibility of early exposure to the antigen can occur through a number of potential sources. But again, I don't think anyone can be sure. One thing is clear is that the statistics of incidence of the allergy have grown exponentially.
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Thanks Merc, interesting stuff. I am/was under the impression that food labeling had been improving, but not for any good particular reason... just seems that there's more of it and it's more thorough than when I was a kid. If it's not accurate though...
I wonder if there was a change in food labeling or enforcement in the 90's that's relevant. Definitely worth looking into, and it's pretty clear that the FDA is friggin joke. I would like to read more about the severe reaction in the 3 mo old infant, if you come across anything.
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