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Doctor Wtf
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Badelaide, Baustralia
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Don't get me started.
![]() Too late. Public schools (the government ones) take all students in their district and charge only minimal costs -stationery, excursions (field trips). Private schools (often Catholic, but other religious and secular schools, like to call themselves "independent") can be selective and charge fees. All well and good so far. The federal government does all the tax collecting, and gives a portion to the state governments who fund the public schools. The state governments also fund all the curriculum development, exam moderation etc for the final two years which determine university entrance etc. The independents get to ride on this for free. In the last decade or two, the federal government has been giving increasing amounts directly to schools - some to public schools, but even more per student to private schools. This is pretty much a form of middle class welfare done for purposes of vote buying. I find this highly objectionable. Why are my tax dollars going to elite private schools with vastly better facilities than public schools? Why are the being used to subsidise the brainwashing of children into a medieval make-believe game? If you want to forgo the place you are entitled to in the public system, that's you're choice, but don't expect me to subsidise your alternate choice. There have been some half-hearted attempts to link these payments to the incomes of the parents, but this is done by looking at the average income for the postcode (zipcode) of the students, which is frankly ineffective. Yet, as Ali rightly says, the private schools are generally better. Thus anyone who cares and can afford it will send their kids to a private school, unless they are motivated by social conscience as Ali and Dazza appear to be. This just bleeds more funding from the public system into the private. Neither of our two main parties have the nerve to deal with this, and the more right wing party has at times touted a "voucher" system, whereby each student would get their bucket of funding and take it to whatever school they choose, where their parents can then top it up as they see fit. The vouchers aren't enough for a good education, hence the top up for the private schools, leaving a second rate education for the lower 2/3rds of the population. In my view this is little short of class warfare against the poor. Bad education policy, bad monetary policy, and worst, very bad social policy. Australia is one of the more egalitarian societies in the world, and this is part of a current trend toward a lasting social division into the haves and have-nots. Pardon me, I think I need to go and have a cup of tea and a lie down. Or a revolution.
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trying hard to be a better person
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Yep, highly objectionable indeed!
Putting it bluntly, it gives me the shits.
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Bitchy Little Brat
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Queensland, Australia
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I'm a supporter of the Public School.
I was public schooled and turned out OK academically....I realise a lot will have to do with the Teachers, but a lot has to do with the student as well. Back in my day, by friends parents were sending him to Private School, to the tune of $14,500 per term, he walked out of that school with a below average comprehension of Maths, English and Science, but did quite well at sport. He wasnt a bad student, never in trouble, he didnt try and they didnt really push. He's now a Cabinet Maker. The boys will be public schooled unless something changes dramatically. |
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Austin, TX
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To shreds, you say?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet!
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trying hard to be a better person
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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All parents have the same right to send their child to a public school, but some choose to forego that right and send their kids to private schools. If they choose to 'cough more money' for private school, that's their personal choice.
It's like having a free ticket on the bus but deciding you want to fly. You'll still get there in the end, but one's going to cost you more.
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Just for the record, I'm not against private schooling for kids. I'm against tax payers funding the personal choices of more wealthy parents.
I'm against a lot of the new 'tax reforms' the labor gov have brought in over the last few years also. I'm so sick of them I'd like to spill blood over it.
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods
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Beware of the word "vouchers"
They haven't really taken hold in the US politic, but now we have "charter schools" which is pretty much accomplishing the same thing. |
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Austin, TX
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Except charter schools actually get less money per student than the public schools, and also have higher success requirements to meet in order to avoid having their charter revoked. And charter schools are required to open their lottery to any student living in the county, they cannot reject students like a private school can.
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Seattle
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I was camping with my friend, B, and he passed me a bag of trail mix. I had some then commented that he had pretty spartan tastes in trail mix. He took the bag back and said "doggone it, S went through and high graded my trail mix!". I'd never heard that phrase before. Here's the definition:
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There is no more precious or fruitful wellspring of prosperity than the education of our young. And as far as we all participate and benefit from society, we all should contribute to this irreplaceable source of new creative minds, active workers and entrepreneurs. ZenGum's alarm call of class warfare is not hyperbole--it is worse than mere warfare, it's killing the golden goose, to mix my metaphors. Who will serve the drinks? Who will valet park the cars? Who will trim the hedges and polish the weather domes on the security cameras? A strategy of every man(family) for himself is a good one--for precisely one generation--no more. I have longer range aspirations for our country though.
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Obviously, there are many different kinds of "charter schools". But every charter school takes $ out of the public school system. When the charter school takes the $ from a finite and limited source, or when the charter school appeals to more talented/motivated/capable students and parents, the public system must manage with less funds and a more difficult population of students. In that sense, the charter schools are taking the "cream of the crop", while the public school outcomes are pushed further towards a self-fulfilling prophesy. In reality, it is the religious component to charter schools that is most bothersome, because it funnels public $ from the education system into "charter schools" set up primarily to foster a group's particular religious views. This is happening in Oregon, and it's not hard to find evidence of it in other states too. To Wit: The Dallas Morning News JESSICA MEYERS Nov 22, 2010 Charter schools with ties to religious groups raise fears about state funds' use Quote:
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: West Yorkshire
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Today I am happy because I've had my hair cut and I have pink hair again - for the summer.
I had it dones yesterday, and liked it, but I was in a narky mood. Everytime I started to type about my hair I wandered off into something Mum had said or a moan about something else. Far better to just be happy with my hair and think "Yippee!" every time I pass a reflective surface, which is how I feel today.
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We have to go back, Kate!
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Yorkshire
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Excellent!
Mum was only saying the other day (when we saw a girl with bright pink hair) how much she likes your hair when you go really vivid.
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