Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, but everyone of those people earned it and made sacrifices to get it. What did the crack whore on the corner cranking out her babies daddies do to earn it?

Now you KNOW that right there is a fucking LIE. there are many people who work hard who cannot afford health care. I know you know, because you are friends with some. Why would not want your friends to have affordable health care?

I can't agree more. It is the Demoncrats fault. They have been in charge of Congress for over 2 years.

Good grief! Democrats are not the ones crying that government is BAD, and government can't do anything right, and everything works better under the prviate sector! That is the cry of republicans! So if they hate government so damn much, why the hell are they in office?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Republicans are people who believe government doesn't work and then get elected to prove it (P. J. O'Rourke).

I can't believe I FINALLY got through all those pages since I've been away! phewwww!

[Undertoad]

"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P. J. O'Rourke

"Democrats are the party of hate. Republicans are the party of fear." -- Penn Jillette

[ZenGum]

I like Paddy. I disagree with about 75% of what he says, but he papers over the gaps in his arguments with the most endearing witticisms.

[classicman]

I just want someone else to pay all my bills, someone else to take care of me when I'm sick, someone else to give me whatever it is I need or want and someone else to remove all worries and challenges from my life. Because I breathe and live in America, I'm entitled to it.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

...*edit to add* And the proof that private corporations work better is proven, I guess, by all the shenanigans those contractors were up to in Afghanistan when they were supposed to be gaurding the embassy.

Not to mention this

According to the California Department of Managed Health Care, six of the state’s largest insurers rejected 45.7 million claims, or 22 percent of the total, from 2002 to June 30, 2009. UnitedHealth Group subsidiary PacifiCare denied nearly 40 percent of the claims submitted-the highest denial rate in the state-for the first half of this year. Even Kaiser Permanente, a not-for-profit HMO that has always said it spends more than 90 percent of premium revenue on patient care, had a denial rate of 28 percent. That’s the same level reported by Anthem Blue Cross, the state’s biggest for-profit insurer, which is part of WellPoint.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, but everyone of those people earned it and made sacrifices to get it. What did the crack whore on the corner cranking out her babies daddies do to earn it?...

And what did your mom do? Your daughter? Are they crack whores?

There are many hard working middle class people who can't afford healthcare.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

And what did your mom do? Your daughter? Are they crack whores?

Wait until someone tells him that his taxpayer money puts out that crack whore's house when it is on fire, educates that crack whore's children, and that she drives on roads that he pays for.

Merc and plenty of people like him love to see trillions spent to send the military halfway around the world to provide welfare to people in another country, but don't want to drop a dime on American citizens. One is somehow evil socialism, the other is patriotic. Go figure.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

There are many hard working middle class people who can't afford healthcare.

Never said there aren't. I support reform.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Now you KNOW that right there is a fucking LIE.

No it is not a lie. You can't get VA benifits if you have not been in the military.

there are many people who work hard who cannot afford health care. I know you know, because you are friends with some. Why would not want your friends to have affordable health care?

Who said I didn't? I think that it should not be given away and if you want it you pay some percent of your income in tax to pay for it, that is all.

Good grief! Democrats are not the ones crying that government is BAD, and government can't do anything right, and everything works better under the prviate sector! That is the cry of republicans! So if they hate government so damn much, why the hell are they in office?

To hate the Demoncrats.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Wait until someone tells him that his taxpayer money puts out that crack whore's house when it is on fire, educates that crack whore's children, and that she drives on roads that he pays for.

Yea we already pay for that, it is built into our current system.

Merc and plenty of people like him love to see trillions spent to send the military halfway around the world

Yea, they were paying my salary.

to provide welfare to people in another country,

I am not much a supporter of Nation Building by the military.

but don't want to drop a dime on American citizens. One is somehow evil socialism, the other is patriotic. Go figure.

Most of my "dime" goes to American Citizens. Don't yours?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Damm better than having the government running anything. So far they have not been able to do a good job at any of it.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, but everyone of those people earned it and made sacrifices to get it.

On the one hand, the government can't run anything, but on the other hand, government run healthcare is so good that only veterans deserve it.

[jinx]

Yea, but everyone of those people earned it and made sacrifices to get it.

I don't see any word(s) that indicate high quality here HM...

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Wait until someone tells him that his taxpayer money puts out that crack whore's house when it is on fire, educates that crack whore's children, and that she drives on roads that he pays for.

Merc and plenty of people like him love to see trillions spent to send the military halfway around the world to provide welfare to people in another country, but don't want to drop a dime on American citizens. One is somehow evil socialism, the other is patriotic. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Kitsune

I think, though, that it is important that current discussions over the way to correct it not get sidetracked and distorted by unrelated issues, including illegal immigrants. ("Lie!", etc.) The current reform plan doesn't concern them.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

On the one hand, the government can't run anything, but on the other hand, government run healthcare is so good that only veterans deserve it.

The State Childrens Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), providing health care to 8-10 million children of working families who would not otherwise have health insurance, is another one of those efficient, successful and popular government administered programs.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by jinx

I don't see any word(s) that indicate high quality here HM...

I see words that indicate that the VA is a reward for people who earned it by making sacrifices.