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Lamplighter · 07-26-2010, 01:16 AM

I agree, the moon tonight is spectacular, and I'm impressed at your steadiness of hand.
Here in PDX we have rain or clouds 7 or 8 months of the year, so the summertime night sky is quite a treat for us.

I am curious about something (astronomical).
In the Google Images pics below, the image on the right was taken in Iowa,
and the one on the left was taken by an observatory in Sydney, Australia.

But I was expecting that the view of the moon from "down under" would be a vertical rotation.
That is it would be an upside down view compared to what we see here in the US.
If not, why not ?

Scriveyn · 07-26-2010, 03:19 AM

Took me an hour to work out. Hope I'm right.

The part of the moon that seems "up" to you is dependent on both where you are on earth (lattitude) and whether the moon is near the horizon or at it's highest.

If you are standing on the equator, the bit of moon that is the top when the moon's rising, will be at its bottom when it's going down.

If you are standing near either of the poles, the same bit will always on top. What is top for the "Southerner" is bottom for the "Northerner"

If you are standing at some lattitude in-between, it is a mix of the two effects. When the moon is rising, both persons (say 52 degrees north and 52 degrees south) will see similar bits "up", as they are both looking East. At the highest, they will see opposite points "up". When it nears the horizon again, the two views will converge again as both are looking West.

Nice links:
Lots of astronomy questions answered
Yahoo group on astro photography

BigV · 07-26-2010, 03:22 AM

you're looking at the same thing from effectively the same place.

try this. pick something in the far distance. A building, in your neighborhood. Now, stand on the sidewalk in front of your house and look at the building. See what it looks like? Good memorize that. Now get a ladder and climb up onto your roof. Look at the same building. Does it look familiar? Why? Because you're looking in almost almooooost exactly the same direction from each vantage point.

Same thing happens downunda. we and they are looking at the same moon, of course, from essentially the same perspective. why would it look upside down? Both of us are looking UP from the ground to see it. if you want see it spin upside down, you'll have to rotate yourself. Just stand upright, moon overhead is physically easiest, and turn in a circle watching the moon. Be careful! don't spill all the moonlight.!!

Lamplighter · 07-26-2010, 10:27 AM

@Scriv: OK, I follow some of what you say, but it'll probably take me more than an hour to get the rest. Thx.

@ V: I'll be careful... I really don't want to get covered with moon-goo.

Sundae · 07-26-2010, 11:45 AM

Oh dear, moon goo? Is that what he told you it was...?

Thanks for the explanation chaps.
Like LL, I'll still have to think it through any number of times, but it makes sense on an immediate level.

dmg1969 · 07-26-2010, 12:08 PM

Some of the better photos from my trip to the Wolf Sanctuary of PA on Saturday night. Enjoy!

And by the way...the fingers feeding the wolf are NOT mine...they belong to one of the volunteers...and still do.

classicman · 07-26-2010, 12:45 PM

very nice!

HungLikeJesus · 07-27-2010, 01:52 PM

Some need to get that wolf a toothbrush.

Tulip · 07-28-2010, 12:24 AM

Pretty dogs!

dmg1969 · 07-28-2010, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulip

Pretty dogs!

Thanks Tulip but even the ones that look like dogs are at least 60% wolf. I wouldn't want to try to leash one up and take it to PetSmart.

Griff · 07-28-2010, 01:08 PM

That really looks like a neat place. Wolf Sanctuary homepage.

dmg1969 · 07-28-2010, 01:35 PM

It really is Griff. The wife and I are going back down for our anniversary in October. They actually have a B&B on the property as well.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-28-2010, 01:46 PM

That's 'cause your wife likes the wolf whistles.

dmg1969 · 07-28-2010, 03:17 PM

Damnit...and here I thought it was ME they were whistling at.

Tulip · 08-01-2010, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmg1969

Thanks Tulip but even the ones that look like dogs are at least 60% wolf. I wouldn't want to try to leash one up and take it to PetSmart.

Hihi....I know they're wolves. I just think they look like pretty dogs.

07-26-2010, 01:16 AM	#931
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	I agree, the moon tonight is spectacular, and I'm impressed at your steadiness of hand. Here in PDX we have rain or clouds 7 or 8 months of the year, so the summertime night sky is quite a treat for us. I am curious about something (astronomical). In the Google Images pics below, the image on the right was taken in Iowa, and the one on the left was taken by an observatory in Sydney, Australia. But I was expecting that the view of the moon from "down under" would be a vertical rotation. That is it would be an upside down view compared to what we see here in the US. If not, why not ? Attached Images

07-26-2010, 03:19 AM	#932
Scriveyn amnesic-confabulatory opsimath Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Between my ears Posts: 739	Took me an hour to work out. Hope I'm right. The part of the moon that seems "up" to you is dependent on both where you are on earth (lattitude) and whether the moon is near the horizon or at it's highest. If you are standing on the equator, the bit of moon that is the top when the moon's rising, will be at its bottom when it's going down. If you are standing near either of the poles, the same bit will always on top. What is top for the "Southerner" is bottom for the "Northerner" If you are standing at some lattitude in-between, it is a mix of the two effects. When the moon is rising, both persons (say 52 degrees north and 52 degrees south) will see similar bits "up", as they are both looking East. At the highest, they will see opposite points "up". When it nears the horizon again, the two views will converge again as both are looking West. Nice links: Lots of astronomy questions answered Yahoo group on astro photography Last edited by Scriveyn; 07-26-2010 at 03:23 AM. Reason: sp

07-26-2010, 03:22 AM	#933
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	you're looking at the same thing from effectively the same place. try this. pick something in the far distance. A building, in your neighborhood. Now, stand on the sidewalk in front of your house and look at the building. See what it looks like? Good memorize that. Now get a ladder and climb up onto your roof. Look at the same building. Does it look familiar? Why? Because you're looking in almost almooooost exactly the same direction from each vantage point. Same thing happens downunda. we and they are looking at the same moon, of course, from essentially the same perspective. why would it look upside down? Both of us are looking UP from the ground to see it. if you want see it spin upside down, you'll have to rotate yourself. Just stand upright, moon overhead is physically easiest, and turn in a circle watching the moon. Be careful! don't spill all the moonlight.!! __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

07-26-2010, 12:08 PM	#936
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	Some of the better photos from my trip to the Wolf Sanctuary of PA on Saturday night. Enjoy! And by the way...the fingers feeding the wolf are NOT mine...they belong to one of the volunteers...and still do. __________________ Void where prohibited. Your results may vary. Not intended for resale. Do not remove tag. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Last edited by dmg1969; 07-26-2010 at 01:05 PM.

07-26-2010, 12:45 PM	#937
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	very nice! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

07-26-2010, 10:27 AM	#934
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	@Scriv: OK, I follow some of what you say, but it'll probably take me more than an hour to get the rest. Thx. @ V: I'll be careful... I really don't want to get covered with moon-goo.

07-26-2010, 11:45 AM	#935
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Oh dear, moon goo? Is that what he told you it was...? Thanks for the explanation chaps. Like LL, I'll still have to think it through any number of times, but it makes sense on an immediate level.

07-27-2010, 01:52 PM	#938
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Some need to get that wolf a toothbrush. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

07-28-2010, 12:24 AM	#939
Tulip Professor Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,293	Pretty dogs!

07-28-2010, 01:08 PM	#941
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	That really looks like a neat place. Wolf Sanctuary homepage. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-28-2010, 01:35 PM	#942
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	It really is Griff. The wife and I are going back down for our anniversary in October. They actually have a B&B on the property as well. __________________ Void where prohibited. Your results may vary. Not intended for resale. Do not remove tag. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

07-28-2010, 01:46 PM	#943
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's 'cause your wife likes the wolf whistles. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-28-2010, 03:17 PM	#944
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	Damnit...and here I thought it was ME they were whistling at. __________________ Void where prohibited. Your results may vary. Not intended for resale. Do not remove tag. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

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