The Cellar is closing at the end of the year (sooner, if the new location is stable)

Undertoad · 10-11-2020, 04:58 PM

...save your buffers

Since many people don't check the tagline, that is the official word.

An alternate forum for Dwellars is being considered. If anything becomes available it will be posted.

BigV · 10-11-2020, 05:06 PM

This is profoundly unfortunate.

footfootfoot · 10-11-2020, 07:05 PM

So it's for certain. What is a buffer?

BigV · 10-11-2020, 07:43 PM

It's the space you thought you had just before you smash your knuckles.

what have we learned?????

Dude111 · 10-11-2020, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

An alternate forum for Dwellars is being considered. If anything becomes available it will be posted.

I dont wanna lose this site because of 1 member!!!!

I DONT WANT AN ALTERNATIVE SITE ON CRAPPY NEWER SOFTWARE....... (Xenforo for example) -- I think this is very sad Flint has caused this to happen........

I hope Undertoad calms down before 31 December..... We are running out of good VBB sites!!

monster · 10-11-2020, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111

I think this is very sad Flint has caused this to happen........

Trump, is that you?

Dude111 · 10-12-2020, 12:45 AM

Ah man!!

footfootfoot · 10-12-2020, 07:02 AM

Still, seriously, what does "save your buffers" mean?

lumberjim · 10-12-2020, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111

I dont wanna lose this site because of 1 member!!!!

I DONT WANT AN ALTERNATIVE SITE ON CRAPPY NEWER SOFTWARE....... (Xenforo for example) -- I think this is very sad Flint has caused this to happen........

I hope Undertoad calms down before 31 December..... We are running out of good VBB sites!!

First off, Dude.... it's not because of ONE member.... and let's not forget who brought the spamming newbie in that set Flint's spamhammer spinning. Not really fair of you to try to lay the whole thing at his feet.

DickMove111

Undertoad · 10-12-2020, 10:13 AM

"The world is coming to an end - save your buffers" was a cookie for a long time. It's a joke from computer history, when if your computer crashed it meant the loss of the data in cache memory, ie. the buffers, which could be traumatic if it happened at the wrong time.

Operating system history: The idea of "orderly shutdown" was built into Linux, but not so much into Windows. the idea was that Windows could die at any moment and not become confused, because it was shitty and crashed all the time and so a crash had to not be as traumatic as it was. Linux needed buffers because it was performing things for everybody, not just for one user. So it didn't crash so much, and if you were turning it off, it would carefully write all the data in memory to disk before shutting down.

Since Windows wasn't caching things for everybody, it meant that Windows was slow at doing server-type stuff -- at the moment when the Internet was coming online, and suddenly server type stuff became wildly important. (Of course, in Windows you would lose documents and spreadsheets in a crash, because the ability to save was left up to the applications, and autosave was cutting-edge technology and they've only just recently figured out that it is a good idea.)

Cellar is performing an orderly shutdown.

footfootfoot · 10-12-2020, 10:21 AM

Thank you.

For everything.

Dude111 · 10-12-2020, 10:31 AM

Its very sad to lose such a good site

And we arer left with crap........

DanaC · 10-12-2020, 10:37 AM

I'm genuinely rocked by this. It's like the foundations of my life are shifting.

Thank you Undertoad - I am beyond grateful for the community you helped start and then maintained for decades. I hope (if there is no change in decision) that you will join the new community (unencumbered by responsibility) so that we can stay in touch.

The Cellar is a strange place - it isnt just another message board, just another online community - it is a family: a thoroughly dysfunctional family with various aunts and uncles feuding and a fist fight at most family gatherings, but a family nonetheless.

I would like to think that the family is relocating rather than dying out.

Regardless though - it is the end of an era.

This site is older than your average tech billionaire

jaminhealth · 10-12-2020, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111

Its very sad to lose such a good site

And we arer left with crap........

Dude, there are many good sites out there, just find them...it's a hit and miss and I have been and am on that path.....and sites that every other word isn't Fing.....

Makes me wonder if you've really gotten a lot of good healthy help and info here?

glatt · 10-12-2020, 02:13 PM

But those other sites won't pay attention to you as much as the attention you get when you stir things up here, right?

10-11-2020, 04:58 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The Cellar is closing at the end of the year (sooner, if the new location is stable) ...save your buffers Since many people don't check the tagline, that is the official word. An alternate forum for Dwellars is being considered. If anything becomes available it will be posted.

10-11-2020, 05:06 PM	#2
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	This is profoundly unfortunate. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-11-2020, 07:05 PM	#3
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	So it's for certain. What is a buffer? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-11-2020, 07:43 PM	#4
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	It's the space you thought you had just before you smash your knuckles. what have we learned????? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-12-2020, 07:02 AM	#8
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Still, seriously, what does "save your buffers" mean? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-12-2020, 12:45 AM	#7
Dude111 An Awesome Dude Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,111	Ah man!!

10-12-2020, 10:13 AM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"The world is coming to an end - save your buffers" was a cookie for a long time. It's a joke from computer history, when if your computer crashed it meant the loss of the data in cache memory, ie. the buffers, which could be traumatic if it happened at the wrong time. Operating system history: The idea of "orderly shutdown" was built into Linux, but not so much into Windows. the idea was that Windows could die at any moment and not become confused, because it was shitty and crashed all the time and so a crash had to not be as traumatic as it was. Linux needed buffers because it was performing things for everybody, not just for one user. So it didn't crash so much, and if you were turning it off, it would carefully write all the data in memory to disk before shutting down. Since Windows wasn't caching things for everybody, it meant that Windows was slow at doing server-type stuff -- at the moment when the Internet was coming online, and suddenly server type stuff became wildly important. (Of course, in Windows you would lose documents and spreadsheets in a crash, because the ability to save was left up to the applications, and autosave was cutting-edge technology and they've only just recently figured out that it is a good idea.) Cellar is performing an orderly shutdown.

10-12-2020, 10:21 AM	#11
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Thank you. For everything. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-12-2020, 10:31 AM	#12
Dude111 An Awesome Dude Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,111	Its very sad to lose such a good site And we arer left with crap........

10-12-2020, 02:13 PM	#15
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	But those other sites won't pay attention to you as much as the attention you get when you stir things up here, right?

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