now why couldn't we have had these discussions in my philosophy classes... :D

I personally can't separate the two. For me, any perceived "skills" seem to be entirely based on my attraction in the first place. I mean, I've only ever been with one guy who was decidedly unskilled--as in, pain and discomfort for me and not one iota of enjoyment. All the others were pretty damn similar when it came right down to it--but my enjoyment of things fluctuated widely, based on my overall attraction to the person. Maybe it's just because I'm a chick and it's all mental for me anyway.

Actually, I prefer pizza! (semi-inside joke) :D

Think there's a point there somewhere. If it's just about 'skills' you might as well wank. If not, attraction (not necessarily looks) dictates the level of (perceived) enjoyment. Maybe the better looking they are the better you think you're doing in terms of picking a better evolutionary partner - secretly you want your kids to be as successful as possible so choose a mate with the best genes (so Levis have a point).

Sorry I know that's an obvious thing to say but this is the philosophy corner...

I've had great looking men who had the skill of a hyperactive bull in a china shop and not so good looking men who knocked my socks across the house.

It's not about looks vs. skill, it's about attraction AND WILLINGNESS to please.

What Science?
 

If looks were all that mattered, blind people would be incapable of erections and people at masked balls wouldn't get it on. Skill also matters very little. It is the stimulus that counts. If you are an aural person, what matters is a good voice or dulcet tones. If you are tactile, their hair, skin and body and the way it feels will matter. This all differs from person to person. The only real barometer of worth in a partner is how they make you feel. You could date the most gorgeous girl in the world and she could make you feel like shit or you could be with a fifty eight year old burn victim who cries during orgasm and feel like a million bucks. Either way, once eye contact is made and interest is established, it is simply a mix of evolutionary imperative and how special and valued they make you feel, coupled with the surprise of realising that feeling certain things for a person makes you capable of doing more than you otherwise could. Couples exist because they enable each other, not because they have killer tits or give great head.




But if she doesn't call me Daddy, no sale.

Why am I not surprised?

It's about more then either skill or looks. A lot of factors go into a good relationship, only a small part of it having to do with the physical intimacy.

My Human Sexual Behavior prof put it best ... "the most important parts of intimacy in a relationship occur above the shoulders."

But this prof never got laid, right? :)

Actually, he was brought up on charges of sexual misconduct by several female students.

He got around ...

So he was using the "below the shoulders" technique. That above the shoulders thing dint work for him either.

Sounds good though.

Wolf, you know the most interesting people. But I have to agree with the guy--the only thing is, as he himself must have realized, all that mental stimulation can lead to an awakening of all the naughty bits.

Oh, Wolf, stop being so predictable! :D

You first.

I second that! What were we talking about? ;)