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Juniper 03-18-2010 08:22 PM

Math Homework Help for 8th Grader
 
Got a problem to solve. I worked on this with my daughter last night, and I got an answer, but apparently I'm wrong!

There are six busybodies in town who like to share information. Whenever one of them calls another, they both know everything that the other one knew by the end of the conversation. One day, each of the six women picks up a juicy piece of gossip. What is the minimum number of phone calls required before all six of them know all six of these tidbits?

I got 10, but I guess it's not right!

Help?

Clodfobble 03-18-2010 09:42 PM

10's the best I got, sorry.

skysidhe 03-18-2010 09:45 PM

It's the worst problem ever. 5, no 3 no....oh I don't know.

Pie 03-18-2010 09:51 PM

I got nine.

ABC DEF

B calls A and C (2)
E calls D and F (2)

B calls E (1)

B calls A and C (2)
E calls D and F (2)

Total: 9

squirell nutkin 03-18-2010 10:15 PM

I think I got 8.

Each caller is a letter and each number is a bit of gossip.

A B C D E F
1 2 3 4 5 6

A calls F (A has 1,6 F has 1,6)
B calls E (B has 2,5 E has 2,5)
C calls D (C has 3,4 D has 3,4)
A calls E (A has 1,2,5,6 E has 1,2,5,6)
A calls D (A has 1,2,3,4,5,6 D has 1,2,3,4,5,6)
A calls B (A has 1,2,3,4,5,6 B has 1,2,3,4,5,6)
C calls E (C has 1,2,3,4,5,6 E has 1,2,3,4,5,6)
E calls F (E has 1,2,3,4,5,6 F has 1,2,3,4,5,6)

Juniper 03-18-2010 10:33 PM

I had amended my answer to 9 also, but I think Squirrel's right!

Thanks!

Every quarter daughter gets these "critical thinking" worksheets for math - things like the family crossing the river in a boat that can only hold two, the frogs and lily pads, various puzzles . . . and for us non-math types, they are HARD!!!

squirell nutkin 03-18-2010 11:31 PM

If a hen and a half can lay an egg and a half in a day and a half, how long does it take a cricket with a wooden leg to kick all the seeds from a dill pickle?

toranokaze 03-19-2010 01:33 AM

an infinite amount of time

squirell nutkin 03-19-2010 09:26 AM

You get partial Credit. It takes half as long as it takes for an elephant with a wooden leg to bore a hole in a bar of soap.

monster 03-19-2010 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juniper (Post 641843)
Got a problem to solve. I worked on this with my daughter last night, and I got an answer, but apparently I'm wrong!

There are six busybodies in town who like to share information. Whenever one of them calls another, they both know everything that the other one knew by the end of the conversation. One day, each of the six women picks up a juicy piece of gossip. What is the minimum number of phone calls required before all six of them know all six of these tidbits?

I got 10, but I guess it's not right!

Help?

Why don't they conference call? Then it's 5 calls, right?

Flint 03-19-2010 10:48 AM

No two card shuffles will ever be the same.

monster 03-19-2010 11:01 AM

but strangely, two flint posts can be, despite the fact that the number of possible word/idea combinations in that head must outstrip the number of possible card shuffles. :rollanim:

squirell nutkin 03-19-2010 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 641939)
No two card shuffles will ever be the same.

No, but eight will.

See it:

Pie 03-19-2010 01:22 PM

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Mathematical closed form solution: in this example, k=2, n=6.
f(n,k)=2[(nk)(k−1)] =2[(4)(1)] = 8

Squirrel for the win!
ETA, Juni, this is neither a trivial or a simple problem. Kudos to your kid's math teacher!

Pie 03-19-2010 01:34 PM

Interesting that ONR is supporting this research. Network topology is still a hot topic!


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