How news is part 2

Undertoad · 10-01-2010, 11:07 AM

#1. X is biased, as are all news sources.

#2. If John Doe uses news source X for a long time, Doe will be biased as well.

#3. If Doe uses news source X for a long time, it will become harder to convince Doe that X is biased.

#4. Replace X with whatever news source you primarily use, and replace Doe with you.

discuss

classicman · 10-01-2010, 11:19 AM

I concur. Initially I my news source was my family - primarily my parents. Then started using the available media at that time. Now there are so many varying perspectives that ts difficult to discern what the truth is. Many of them are positioned under the guise of being "watchdogs" or "nonpartisan". (See #1 above)
Its tough. I try to get a much info from different sides and then decide. Its not easy & some times those early biases creep back into the subconscious.
My personal experiences have, and continue to shape my views.

Pico and ME · 10-01-2010, 11:33 AM

I am biased, there's no doubt, but there is absolutely no way in hell I can watch Fox News just to balance the equation. While channel surfing, my husband will pause there sometimes just to keep abreast of the nonsense. If I am in the room with him when he does that, I complain loudly to change the channel quickly. Lately I have been immensely enjoying the prime time commentary on MSNBC, but I am really only watching because the elections are coming up.

glatt · 10-01-2010, 11:42 AM

I sometimes watch Al Jazeera. My news comes mostly from the paper, and the local Fox affiliate. But local news doesn't count. It's just car crashes and murder.

classicman · 10-01-2010, 11:43 AM

I love morning Joe on MSNBC, but the Matthews,Olbermann & Maddow lineup are nothing more than the same thing for the left as Fox is for the right. Especially the latter - All they do is take pot shots at each other. My time spent on them has been severely reduced. Time spent watching Fox is virtually a zero.

classicman · 10-01-2010, 11:43 AM

... and fires glatt - don't forget the fires.

glatt · 10-01-2010, 11:50 AM

I can't believe I forgot the fires. And how could I forget the guy standing out in the rain saying "It's raining."

footfootfoot · 10-01-2010, 12:35 PM

I think all of us are continually on the hunt for media, news and otherwise, that reinforces our existing beliefs. After all, what choir doesn't want to be preached to, affirming what they know to be true?

It's kind of comforting to know you are right.
(A friend of mine says: "Every body in the world is crazy except for me and you. And sometimes, I'm not so sure about you..."

HungLikeJesus · 10-01-2010, 01:09 PM

The Cellar is my news source.

Undertoad · 10-01-2010, 01:24 PM

#3a. Doe will find that other sources are not trustworthy compared to X, because they do not match his priorities and his information, although Doe's priorities and information come from X.

Undertoad · 10-01-2010, 01:27 PM

I addressed this notion previously, in this reply to UG.

Why do you listen to WXYZ?

Because they play all the best music!!

How do you know it's the best music?

Because that's the music they play on WXYZ!!

HungLikeJesus · 10-01-2010, 01:42 PM

I think you're thinking of CKLW, another Detroit station.

footfootfoot · 10-01-2010, 01:55 PM

"You're listening to WXYZ. The songs we play may not be your favorites, but they have a lot of the same notes!"

Spexxvet · 10-01-2010, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

The Cellar is my news source.

The Celar is biased.

gvidas · 10-01-2010, 02:39 PM

How does your model account for aggregate sources (google news), sources chosen in challenge to the biases of J. Doe (a well-reasoned yet disagreed-with blog), and sources that are, while biased, too schizophrenic to have a coherent bias of agenda or politics (the cellar)?

I follow about 40 RSS feeds, not including a compulsive skimming of google news and a few other sites that I read directly. I know I'm biased, because I only read what interests me. But at what point do you draw the line between 'bias' and 'personality' or 'a well-formed opinion'?

10-01-2010, 11:43 AM	#5
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I love morning Joe on MSNBC, but the Matthews,Olbermann & Maddow lineup are nothing more than the same thing for the left as Fox is for the right. Especially the latter - All they do is take pot shots at each other. My time spent on them has been severely reduced. Time spent watching Fox is virtually a zero. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-01-2010, 11:43 AM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	... and fires glatt - don't forget the fires. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-01-2010, 12:35 PM	#8
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I think all of us are continually on the hunt for media, news and otherwise, that reinforces our existing beliefs. After all, what choir doesn't want to be preached to, affirming what they know to be true? It's kind of comforting to know you are right. (A friend of mine says: "Every body in the world is crazy except for me and you. And sometimes, I'm not so sure about you..." __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-01-2010, 01:09 PM	#9
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	The Cellar is my news source. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-01-2010, 01:42 PM	#12
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I think you're thinking of CKLW, another Detroit station. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-01-2010, 11:07 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	How news is part 2 #1. X is biased, as are all news sources. #2. If John Doe uses news source X for a long time, Doe will be biased as well. #3. If Doe uses news source X for a long time, it will become harder to convince Doe that X is biased. #4. Replace X with whatever news source you primarily use, and replace Doe with you. discuss

10-01-2010, 11:19 AM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I concur. Initially I my news source was my family - primarily my parents. Then started using the available media at that time. Now there are so many varying perspectives that ts difficult to discern what the truth is. Many of them are positioned under the guise of being "watchdogs" or "nonpartisan". (See #1 above) Its tough. I try to get a much info from different sides and then decide. Its not easy & some times those early biases creep back into the subconscious. My personal experiences have, and continue to shape my views. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-01-2010, 11:33 AM	#3
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	I am biased, there's no doubt, but there is absolutely no way in hell I can watch Fox News just to balance the equation. While channel surfing, my husband will pause there sometimes just to keep abreast of the nonsense. If I am in the room with him when he does that, I complain loudly to change the channel quickly. Lately I have been immensely enjoying the prime time commentary on MSNBC, but I am really only watching because the elections are coming up.

10-01-2010, 11:42 AM	#4
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I sometimes watch Al Jazeera. My news comes mostly from the paper, and the local Fox affiliate. But local news doesn't count. It's just car crashes and murder.

10-01-2010, 11:50 AM	#7
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I can't believe I forgot the fires. And how could I forget the guy standing out in the rain saying "It's raining."

10-01-2010, 01:24 PM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	#3a. Doe will find that other sources are not trustworthy compared to X, because they do not match his priorities and his information, although Doe's priorities and information come from X.

10-01-2010, 01:27 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I addressed this notion previously, in this reply to UG. Why do you listen to WXYZ? Because they play all the best music!! How do you know it's the best music? Because that's the music they play on WXYZ!!

10-01-2010, 01:55 PM	#13
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	"You're listening to WXYZ. The songs we play may not be your favorites, but they have a lot of the same notes!" __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-01-2010, 02:39 PM	#15
gvidas Hoodoo Guru Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 286	How does your model account for aggregate sources (google news), sources chosen in challenge to the biases of J. Doe (a well-reasoned yet disagreed-with blog), and sources that are, while biased, too schizophrenic to have a coherent bias of agenda or politics (the cellar)? I follow about 40 RSS feeds, not including a compulsive skimming of google news and a few other sites that I read directly. I know I'm biased, because I only read what interests me. But at what point do you draw the line between 'bias' and 'personality' or 'a well-formed opinion'?

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