How is 2004 shaping up?

Griff · 10-10-2003, 08:47 AM

At this point, I have no idea who to vote for. The biggest error in foreign policy has already been made, so it becomes a question of repairing the damage.

Who are the choices?

GWB- big spending, protectionist, big government Republican being handled by the militarist neo-con wing of the party and the so-called Christian Right. He got us into this mess, he is not an option.

Howard Dean- reputation for fiscal responsibility, opposed the war, good on 2nd amendment, for good or ill seems committed to cleaning up our mess in Iraq. I don't see much possibility of a good outcome in Iraq but if we (meaning the poor bastards in the armed forces) are supposed to take responsibility for our governments errors...

Dennis Kucinich- voted against the war, willing to pull the troops right out, given an uncooperative Republican Congress might be an option, gonna be a big spender given half a chance.

Bomber of Belgrade not an option, very willing to casually committ our troops for fuzzy reasons.

L Neil Smith- good... unelectable

Ron Paul- voted no, rocks, won't run

Who do you people want?

juju · 10-10-2003, 10:55 AM

Maybe I'll vote for a candidate who is against the DMCA. Have any of them stated their stance on that issue?

warch · 10-10-2003, 11:35 AM

I'm still liking Dean. Smart and passionate. Fiscally responsible, socially liberal. For planned, supported, and just use of military.

Kucinich gets points for being bold. But his ideas are not practical or feasible. We cant pull the troups. We cant turn back the clock.

SteveDallas · 10-10-2003, 12:16 PM

No offense Griff, but sounds like you're looking for somebody who's never done anything you don't like... you may want to just stay home on election day!

I haven't decided who I like yet. I can't stand Bush for many reasons so I will definitely not vote for him. But nobody on the Democratic side has won my support yet. In general I think that for the last 2-3 years the Dems have shown themselves to be a bunch of spineless wussies. I may just go after whichever one of them looks like he will take it hardest to the Republicans.

Griff · 10-10-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by SteveDallas
No offense Griff, but sounds like you're looking for somebody who's never done anything you don't like...

That would be Dr. Ron Paul

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I haven't decided who I like yet. I can't stand Bush for many reasons so I will definitely not vote for him. But nobody on the Democratic side has won my support yet. In general I think that for the last 2-3 years the Dems have shown themselves to be a bunch of spineless wussies. I may just go after whichever one of them looks like he will take it hardest to the Republicans.

I'm going for lowest body count. Whoever will kill the fewest of my fellow human beings wins. Identifying that guy is the difficulty.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-10-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by warch
I'm still liking Dean. Smart and passionate. Fiscally responsible, socially liberal. For planned, supported, and just use of military.

I can't support anyone who would let AdanSmith into his state.

slang · 10-10-2003, 05:01 PM

I'm waiting to see how Bush handles the "assault" weapons ban. The ban was to expire in 04 and supposedly W hasn't pushed either way on it only saying he'd sign anything(??) that came to his desk.

Not having a Democrat president, majority in the Senate or the House is very enjoyable personally. Especially after the Clinton reign.

Yes, I had lost tens of thousands of dollars in the stock market but would still rather have an R there than a D.

(commence flaming)

wolf · 10-10-2003, 05:03 PM

Much as I would LOVE to see Ron Paul run as well, I don't expect it to happen.

Wish more people were aware of him.

elSicomoro · 10-10-2003, 08:45 PM

I'm leaning with Clark or Dean at the moment, with Sharpton as the dark horse...no pun intended. It's still too early though...I think I'll have my decision cemented by the end of the year.

slang, please take your medication...you're babbling again.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-10-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore
I'm leaning with Clark or Dean at the moment, with Sharpton as the dark horse...no pun intended. It's still too early though...I think I'll have my decision cemented by the end of the year.

slang, please take your medication...you're babbling again.

WHAT!?! Slang is babbling? You're the one talking about Sharpton.

elSicomoro · 10-10-2003, 10:08 PM

Seeing is believing...watch the next Dem debate.

wolf · 10-10-2003, 10:19 PM

Scary but true. Rev. Al is the only one of the pack who is actually coming off looking like a candidate. (Waitaminute. I'm repeating myself. Again. there's something a couple posts down in the
Gephart thread

greenian · 10-28-2003, 11:21 PM

man, unless he does something monumentally stupid I'll vote Dean in the primaries. And even if he doesn't get the nomination I'll vote whichever democrat does. I'm not a democrat, and I'd love to vote my consciense, but the most important thing right now is to get W out of there. If he "wins" again I'm moving to Canada.

wolf · 10-29-2003, 12:07 AM

But you'll end up coming back across the border for your healthcare ...

10-29-2003, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by greenian
but the most important thing right now is to get W out of there. If he "wins" again I'm moving to Canada.

You'll be missed.

10-10-2003, 08:47 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	How is 2004 shaping up? At this point, I have no idea who to vote for. The biggest error in foreign policy has already been made, so it becomes a question of repairing the damage. Who are the choices? GWB- big spending, protectionist, big government Republican being handled by the militarist neo-con wing of the party and the so-called Christian Right. He got us into this mess, he is not an option. Howard Dean- reputation for fiscal responsibility, opposed the war, good on 2nd amendment, for good or ill seems committed to cleaning up our mess in Iraq. I don't see much possibility of a good outcome in Iraq but if we (meaning the poor bastards in the armed forces) are supposed to take responsibility for our governments errors... Dennis Kucinich- voted against the war, willing to pull the troops right out, given an uncooperative Republican Congress might be an option, gonna be a big spender given half a chance. Bomber of Belgrade not an option, very willing to casually committ our troops for fuzzy reasons. L Neil Smith- good... unelectable Ron Paul- voted no, rocks, won't run Who do you people want? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-10-2003, 05:03 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Much as I would LOVE to see Ron Paul run as well, I don't expect it to happen. Wish more people were aware of him. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-10-2003, 10:19 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Scary but true. Rev. Al is the only one of the pack who is actually coming off looking like a candidate. (Waitaminute. I'm repeating myself. Again. there's something a couple posts down in the Gephart thread __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-28-2003, 11:21 PM	#13
greenian Simulated Simulacrum Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 39	r vs. d man, unless he does something monumentally stupid I'll vote Dean in the primaries. And even if he doesn't get the nomination I'll vote whichever democrat does. I'm not a democrat, and I'd love to vote my consciense, but the most important thing right now is to get W out of there. If he "wins" again I'm moving to Canada.

10-29-2003, 12:07 AM	#14
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	But you'll end up coming back across the border for your healthcare ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-10-2003, 10:55 AM	#2
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Maybe I'll vote for a candidate who is against the DMCA. Have any of them stated their stance on that issue?

10-10-2003, 11:35 AM	#3
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I'm still liking Dean. Smart and passionate. Fiscally responsible, socially liberal. For planned, supported, and just use of military. Kucinich gets points for being bold. But his ideas are not practical or feasible. We cant pull the troups. We cant turn back the clock.

10-10-2003, 12:16 PM	#4
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	No offense Griff, but sounds like you're looking for somebody who's never done anything you don't like... you may want to just stay home on election day! I haven't decided who I like yet. I can't stand Bush for many reasons so I will definitely not vote for him. But nobody on the Democratic side has won my support yet. In general I think that for the last 2-3 years the Dems have shown themselves to be a bunch of spineless wussies. I may just go after whichever one of them looks like he will take it hardest to the Republicans.

10-10-2003, 05:01 PM	#7
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	I'm waiting to see how Bush handles the "assault" weapons ban. The ban was to expire in 04 and supposedly W hasn't pushed either way on it only saying he'd sign anything(??) that came to his desk. Not having a Democrat president, majority in the Senate or the House is very enjoyable personally. Especially after the Clinton reign. Yes, I had lost tens of thousands of dollars in the stock market but would still rather have an R there than a D. (commence flaming)

10-10-2003, 08:45 PM	#9
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I'm leaning with Clark or Dean at the moment, with Sharpton as the dark horse...no pun intended. It's still too early though...I think I'll have my decision cemented by the end of the year. slang, please take your medication...you're babbling again.

10-10-2003, 10:08 PM	#11
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Seeing is believing...watch the next Dem debate.

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