The Passion

Dagney · 02-25-2004, 06:20 AM

Is anyone planning to see Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" after it opens today?

Any thoughts on the media hype?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-25-2004, 06:28 AM

As I understand the story from the Bible, a bunch of Jews and Romans got together and crucified a Jew, exactly as God wanted them to do. Got a problem with that? Take it up with God.

wolf · 02-25-2004, 12:54 PM

I'll be going to see it after the crowds die down, and I'm fairly sure that no one is going to try to firebomb the theaters.

Review, not of the film, but of the reviews.

Elspode · 02-25-2004, 01:19 PM

I'm waiting for the Happy Meals to come out, featuring the Super Disciples of Jesus. I'm gonna collect all 12! I hope they come with Kung Fu grip...

headsplice · 02-25-2004, 01:23 PM

Probably the most cogent analysis of the film I've read said basically that the film focuses so much on the physical suffering of Christ that the spiritual redemption part of the story is almost non-existant, and therfore seems unimportant.
I've also heard that Gibson interprets the statements in the Bible very, very, very literally, without taking some of the politics that theologians and historians are pretty sure were happening at the time.
I haven't seen the film yet, but the critics' reviews seem to be that Gibson's faith may have gotten in the way of his filmmaking. I'm still going to go see it, but I definitely have my doubts that it will be as powerful as The Last Temptation of Christ (which was amazing).
Media hype: he's pushing buttons and getting people to think about their faith, or lack thereof, which is, IMHO, a good thing.

Undertoad · 02-25-2004, 01:24 PM

I can't wait for the long-term repercussions of showing millions of children an hour-long torture scene in the name of establishing their spirituality.

Kitsune · 02-25-2004, 01:41 PM

Media hype: he's pushing buttons and getting people to think about their faith, or lack thereof, which is, IMHO, a good thing.

I kept hearing in the media that many felt that this movie was going to be responsible for a serious increase in hatred towards the Jewish population. Does anyone think that is really true? I haven't seen the film, yet, but I've not heard any grumblings from people who have.

jinx · 02-25-2004, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elspode
I'm waiting for the Happy Meals to come out, featuring the Super Disciples of Jesus. I'm gonna collect all 12! I hope they come with Kung Fu grip...

You'll be needing this then.

Troubleshooter · 02-25-2004, 03:04 PM

An interesting point by Dr. Michael Shermer:

Allow me one brief comment of a theological nature. If Jesus did not die for
our sins then there is no point in being a Christian--one might as well be a
Jew (no religious belief is also acceptable). If Jesus did die for our
sins--indeed, if he HAD to die for our sins as we are told he did in order for us to
be saved--then why must ANYONE be blamed, let alone condemned? If this was a
foreordained event by God, then it was out of human hands. If it was not
predetermined by God and was instead a contingent event that might or might not have
happened, shouldn't we be THANKING the Jews (or the Romans) for doing the
unpleasant but necessary deed? After all, thanks to the crucifixion and the
resurrection, all who accept it are born again, saved, and will have everlasting
life. Shouldn't Pilate, Barabbas, and Ciaphas get special dispensation from God?

Elspode · 02-25-2004, 04:16 PM

Look, if you people are going to insist on contiuing to point out inconsistencies in Christianity, I'm going to have to become a Pagan...

Oh...wait...too late.

OnyxCougar · 02-25-2004, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elspode
I'm waiting for the Happy Meals to come out, featuring the Super Disciples of Jesus. I'm gonna collect all 12! I hope they come with Kung Fu grip...

I used to have a "buddy Christ" action figure from the movie dogma.

OnyxCougar · 02-25-2004, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jinx

You'll be needing this then.

I like

this one,

Slartibartfast · 02-25-2004, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Troubleshooter

If Jesus did not die for our sins then there is no point in being a Christian

Jesus can be someone to follow as an example of a model life whether or not one believes in the miracles surrounding his life. The philosophy he talks about in the beatitudes, parables, and other places, can be a way of approaching life.

But being a Christian is a bit more than the above, consider this one point.

If a man two thousand years ago really did bring himself back from the dead, would that be an event of some significance? Would that force you to have to change what you think is and is not possible in this great big universe?
That is, of course, if you accepted the event as fact, or at least tried to believe in it as fact.

Elspode · 02-25-2004, 11:30 PM

It would be especially impressive if a man came back from the asskicking I keep hearing about him taking in this damn film.

I think it is kind of cute how people are coming out of the theaters crying and talking how inspiring it was seeing Jesus tortured to death, especially considering it is probably mostly the same group of people who were so outraged about Janet's boob. The same people who are taking their kids to see the inspiring asskicking in the move were outraged about the tit.

We live in a really, really silly world.

Elspode · 02-25-2004, 11:55 PM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...o_kmbc/2024585

02-25-2004, 06:20 AM	#1
Dagney The Prodigal Brat Returneth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 1,107	The Passion Is anyone planning to see Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" after it opens today? Any thoughts on the media hype? __________________ The Constitution gives every American the right to make a total fool out of himself. But that doesn't mean you need to.

02-25-2004, 06:28 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	As I understand the story from the Bible, a bunch of Jews and Romans got together and crucified a Jew, exactly as God wanted them to do. Got a problem with that? Take it up with God. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-25-2004, 12:54 PM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I'll be going to see it after the crowds die down, and I'm fairly sure that no one is going to try to firebomb the theaters. Review, not of the film, but of the reviews. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-25-2004, 01:19 PM	#4
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I'm waiting for the Happy Meals to come out, featuring the Super Disciples of Jesus. I'm gonna collect all 12! I hope they come with Kung Fu grip... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

02-25-2004, 01:23 PM	#5
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	Probably the most cogent analysis of the film I've read said basically that the film focuses so much on the physical suffering of Christ that the spiritual redemption part of the story is almost non-existant, and therfore seems unimportant. I've also heard that Gibson interprets the statements in the Bible very, very, very literally, without taking some of the politics that theologians and historians are pretty sure were happening at the time. I haven't seen the film yet, but the critics' reviews seem to be that Gibson's faith may have gotten in the way of his filmmaking. I'm still going to go see it, but I definitely have my doubts that it will be as powerful as The Last Temptation of Christ (which was amazing). Media hype: he's pushing buttons and getting people to think about their faith, or lack thereof, which is, IMHO, a good thing. __________________ Don't Panic

02-25-2004, 01:24 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I can't wait for the long-term repercussions of showing millions of children an hour-long torture scene in the name of establishing their spirituality.

02-25-2004, 01:41 PM	#7
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Media hype: he's pushing buttons and getting people to think about their faith, or lack thereof, which is, IMHO, a good thing. I kept hearing in the media that many felt that this movie was going to be responsible for a serious increase in hatred towards the Jewish population. Does anyone think that is really true? I haven't seen the film, yet, but I've not heard any grumblings from people who have.

02-25-2004, 03:04 PM	#9
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	An interesting point by Dr. Michael Shermer: Allow me one brief comment of a theological nature. If Jesus did not die for our sins then there is no point in being a Christian--one might as well be a Jew (no religious belief is also acceptable). If Jesus did die for our sins--indeed, if he HAD to die for our sins as we are told he did in order for us to be saved--then why must ANYONE be blamed, let alone condemned? If this was a foreordained event by God, then it was out of human hands. If it was not predetermined by God and was instead a contingent event that might or might not have happened, shouldn't we be THANKING the Jews (or the Romans) for doing the unpleasant but necessary deed? After all, thanks to the crucifixion and the resurrection, all who accept it are born again, saved, and will have everlasting life. Shouldn't Pilate, Barabbas, and Ciaphas get special dispensation from God? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-25-2004, 04:16 PM	#10
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Look, if you people are going to insist on contiuing to point out inconsistencies in Christianity, I'm going to have to become a Pagan... Oh...wait...too late. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

02-25-2004, 11:30 PM	#14
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	It would be especially impressive if a man came back from the asskicking I keep hearing about him taking in this damn film. I think it is kind of cute how people are coming out of the theaters crying and talking how inspiring it was seeing Jesus tortured to death, especially considering it is probably mostly the same group of people who were so outraged about Janet's boob. The same people who are taking their kids to see the inspiring asskicking in the move were outraged about the tit. We live in a really, really silly world. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

02-25-2004, 11:55 PM	#15
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I've heard of killer movies, but this??? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...o_kmbc/2024585 __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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