Screw Iran

[richlevy]

Let me just say on behalf of all of the people who can't, fuck the Islamic Revolutionary Guards, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-khamenei, and all of the bastards who prove what a bad idea it is to give religious fundamentalists real power.

That being said, I hope they handle things themselves rather than letting our own posse of clowns get involved.

[Griff]

George said they can't get nuke u lar weapons. I don't think we have any so they'd better not.

[cowhead]

oh! and then there's the lovely little tidbit about N. Korea saying it needed nuke-u-lar weapons to defend itself against US agressive advances.. what the hell happened to our country? (well.. I know what happened.. I just find it very hard to believe.. and then watching this whole mess keep snowballing and knowing that there's not a damn thing I can do about it)

[xoxoxoBruce]

I've often joked that if you spend your money to buy food when it runs out you'll be hungry again. But, if you spend your money on a gun you'll be able to steal all the food you ever want.
North Korea has taken this to heart. Let everyone that's not important starve while you spend on nukes then blackmail other countries for aid to feed the people.
Will it work?

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...But, if you spend your money on a gun you'll be able to steal all the food you ever want....

Or, if you develop nuclear weapons with the 1 billion dollars that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton gave you not to develop nuclear weapons then its like you stole the gun as well. Ain't diplomacy grand? Bet W doesn't make the same mithtake.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Or, if you develop nuclear weapons with the 1 billion dollars that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton gave you not to develop nuclear weapons then its like you stole the gun as well. Ain't diplomacy grand? Bet W doesn't make the same mithtake.

You've been worshipping Rush Limbaugh again. They all look alike in N Korea. Therefore they all must think the same? Clearly they have slanty eyes. Therefore they all must want to kill Americans.

Get off your knees. A Jimmy Carter solution was just the thing that both America and Kim Jung Il needed to ease a country full of North Korean extremists back into the world community as a peaceful nation. It could have been a stroke of genius and is why Jimmy Carter got a Noble Prize. Then the Congress cut off all funds, squashed the deal, undermined Kim Jung Il, and empowered N Korean extremists to restart their nuclear weapons program.

So you tell me where all these $billion went to when the US Congress restarted a cold war between the US and N Korea. No billions were sent to N Korea - except in a world where extremists worship Rush Limbaugh lies.

In another post, I discuss those who never bother to learn facts, but just know. Beestie - I am talking specifically about you. Instead, first learn facts. Or list what money went to N Korea - and when. Funny thing about those missing details. They say you are lying. But prove me wrong. Post those details. Fill the world with your knowledge. Let's see those numbers - all those dollars and dates - when $billions were sent to N Korea. Feel free to use logic rather than George Jr bravado to demonstrate knowledge. Testicles are not brains.

[Undertoad]

tw that would be incorrect, would like you like to post some sources and links so we know which biased organizations are filling people's heads with shit?

The US share of the agreement money was tiny compared to S Korea and Japan's share. Congress did underfund the prject, but that isn't what held it up. You see, Before work really got going on the $6B project, N Korea acted belligerently towards S Korea, and well:

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/91-141.htm

The stepped-up pace in 1996 in the implementation of the nuclear provisions of the U.S.-North Korean Agreed Framework of October 1994 came to a halt in September 1996 because of a North Korean infiltration of commandos into South Korea by submarine. The commandos murdered several South Korean civilians. At the same time, evidence, albeit circumstantial, pointed to North Korean complicity in the assassination of a South Korean diplomat in Vladivostok, Russia. These actions were the latest in a succession of North Korean provocations that were contrary to the peace and security provisions of the Agreed Framework, which calls for improved security on the Korean peninsula and negotiations between North Korea and South Korea. The R.O.K. (Republic of Korea) government responded by demanding that North Korea apologize for the infiltration and guarantee that it will commit no further provocations.

South Korea announced that it was suspending its participation in the installation of two light water nuclear reactors in North Korea. ... North Korea responded by threatening to abrogate the Agreed Framework and start up its nuclear facilities, which are shut down under the Agreed Framework.

Conditions improved, and the massive giveaway project went ahead anyway, albeit on a slower schedule. But before they could start the meaty part of the project, N Korea suddenly announced that it had nuke programs.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/nkorea.html

Construction of the light water reactors was to be performed under a turnkey contract with KEPCO, which was awarded in December 1999. Initial site preparation work had begun, and the concrete foundation at the site was laid in August 2002. Training of North Korean technicians who were to operate the reactors had begun in June 2002. The project had faced many delays, and the completion date for the first reactor has been pushed back to at least 2008, from an original completion date of 2003. ...

The disclosure by North Korea in October 2002 that it had a clandestine nuclear weapons program called into question the basis under the Agreed Framework for continuing construction of the reactors.

And if N Korea had nuclear programs in October 2002, it had probably been violating the agreement all along.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by a self-worshipping know-it-all

In another post, I discuss those who never bother to learn facts

Oh, yeah? Here's a couple of fun facts that you can peruse as soon as you wipe Al Franken's fecal matter off your nose.

On Jan. 20, 1992, representatives of North and South Korea executed the "Joint Declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula." The Joint Declaration declared that "South and North Korea shall not test, manufacture, produce, receive, process, store, deploy or use nuclear weapons," and that "South and North Korea shall not possess nuclear reprocessing and uranium enrichment facilities."

And hey, since we're having so much fun, let's keep going. Here's a nice illustration of the correlation between our foreign aid to Kim Jong-Il and the increase in North Korea's long-range missle capability. Gee, if Al Gore had won in 2000 (oops, I meant had he actually taken office), North Korean missles could probably reach the commune you share with the other neo-Marxists by now.

[jaguar]

someone needs a lesson in correlation and causation.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Bet W doesn't make the same mithtake.

True, but you can count on him to make many that are distictly his own.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Oh, yeah? Here's a couple of fun facts that you can peruse as soon as you wipe Al Franken's fecal matter off your nose.

I don't know why you bring Al Franken into this. To me he is just another political extremist.

As for you citation of the agreement:

On Jan. 20, 1992, representatives of North and South Korea executed the "Joint Declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula." The Joint Declaration declared that "South and North Korea shall not test, manufacture, produce, receive, process, store, deploy or use nuclear weapons," and that "South and North Korea shall not possess nuclear reprocessing and uranium enrichment facilities."

... why did you forget to mention the many other provisions of that agreement that were violated by western powers .... noteably the United States? Oh. That's right. You, Al Franken, and Rush Limbaugh make a living out of forgetting irrelevant details.

In the meantime, an agreement so shrewdly negotiated by Carter, Kim Jung Il, Japan, S Korea and I don't know how many other parties was first violated by western powers. It literally cut the legs out from under Kim Jung Il's attempt to end a Korean Cold War.

Shame on you associating yourself with people like Limbaugh and Franken. Leaves me to wonder if we have one benchmark for the evil index.

BTW the chart is clearly wrong. Tae Dong rocket may have sufficient range to hit Japan - and with no accuracy. It is only wild speculation by political agendas that claim that rocket has a 6000+ mile range. But a glaring ommission is the source of your chart. Perchance from the communication room of the White House - in their daily faxes to you and Rush?