Wonen's Sufrage

Hemlock · 09-05-2005, 04:51 PM

Here is a quick quiz for you.

What federal state in Europe did not give its women the right to vote until 1971?

This is not a soviet country either...this is one of the worlds oldest republics.

Perry Winkle · 09-05-2005, 05:06 PM

switzerland

Griff · 09-05-2005, 05:09 PM

I was thinking things had been going well for the Swiss! *duck and cover*

Perry Winkle · 09-05-2005, 05:10 PM

More info...

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia -

Switzerland
Women were granted the right to vote in the first cantons in 1959, at the federal level in 1971, in the last canton only in 1990. In 1979, parts of the canton of Berne attained independence, forming the new canton of Jura. On April 18, 1999 the Swiss population and the cantons voted in favour of a completely revised federal constitution.

Hemlock · 09-05-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by grant

switzerland

Correct! Does this shock anyone else? I mean 1971?!?! Damn - I though the US was falling behind in the 1920s.

09-05-2005, 05:53 PM

Doesn't shock me. Its why my Swiss Mom renounced her Swiss citizenship in favor of the US. She was absolutely enraged that her native country was so conservative. While I tend to be a fan of the Swiss (naturally

), that aspect of Switzerland has always been incomprehensible to me.

Radar · 09-05-2005, 06:16 PM

Perhaps this is why Switzerland is peaceful, neutral, non-interventionist, and logical. Maybe having men in charge kept them out of wars.

lumberjim · 09-05-2005, 09:32 PM

aw, if you could have just kept a straight face, we might have had quite the stir, radar. I don't think the ladies would have put it past you to mean that.

It is a shame that by the time they got the right to vote, their vote had become as meaningless as it is. but, to be fair they DO have all of the boobies. and swiss boobies at that. i don't know that they really needed the vote to get their way, do you?

Perry Winkle · 09-05-2005, 10:43 PM

mmmmm, swiss miss boobies

09-05-2005, 11:15 PM

In your wildest dreams, boys!

BigV · 09-06-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Perhaps this is why Switzerland is peaceful, neutral, non-interventionist, and logical. Maybe having men in charge kept them out of wars.

I was thinking it with a straight face before I read this post. Is that enough to stir your sh*t, lj?

SmartAZ · 09-23-2005, 08:35 AM

You might give some thought to why women were not given the vote at first, and why the country got along so well for almost a century and a half with only the men in charge.

There are several important reasons why women should not be allowed to vote. One is that the primary purpose of government is (or better be) defense. Defense is a masculine responsibility. Men kill things, and sometimes they get killed, defending their homes. Women prefer to avoid killing things. For that reason alone, women and men vote for very different leaders. Another reason is that women are inherently of a different political mindset from men. A man has a family, but a woman is a family. A family is inherently socialist. Each member contributes according to ability and each recieves according to need and it's all administered by a loving mother and supported by a loving father. (At least that's the way it's supposed to be.) A man lives in a totally opposite world where each works to meet his needs and is paid according to his merit.

What we are seeing in the USA is an assault on the family. It began even before the revolution, with public education, which was made compulsory at the insistence of manufacturers about 150 years ago. The manufacturers specifically demanded schools modeled on the Prussian schools, which were modeled on the Indian buddhist schools, which were modeled on Greek and Latin schools for slaves! Yes, the public school system was developed specifically to turn out docile obedient workers! But the Prussians, buddhists, Greeks, and Romans didn't send upper class children to schools, they were educated by parents and tutors at home, and boys and girls were kept separated until they were old enough to attend formal social events. That resulted in boys learning the skills to be empire builders while girls learned the skills to manage homes and families. Throwing the girls and boys together leads to boys never learning how to act like men and girls thinking they can and should somehow be equal to boys.

I don't suggest that one way is right and another wrong. I do suggest that the USA was a great country in the 19th century and was not a great country in the 20th century.

Undertoad · 09-23-2005, 09:00 AM

It sure was a better world when we were 50% agricultural, had a life span of about 45 years, were not in any sense a global power (almost lost to those stinky Mexicans! Had our white house burned down by frikking Canadians!), and best of all, men were allowed to smack women around to keep them in line.

Boy the good old days, eh? When you could be an sexist, racist, violent asshole and it was legal and acceptable. Must be hard for a tough guy like you nowadays!

But not so tough that you can't spend a little time whining and complaining and blaming everyone else for how things are.

dar512 · 09-23-2005, 09:01 AM

Please don't feed the trolls.

DanaC · 09-23-2005, 10:31 AM

*Opens mouth to respond then thinks better of it*

Yes......let's not feed the trolls.....or the morons....not sure which category SmartAz comes under.

09-05-2005, 04:51 PM	#1
Hemlock May Ter Dee Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26	Wonen's Sufrage Here is a quick quiz for you. What federal state in Europe did not give its women the right to vote until 1971? This is not a soviet country either...this is one of the worlds oldest republics.

09-05-2005, 05:09 PM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I was thinking things had been going well for the Swiss! duck and cover __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

09-05-2005, 06:16 PM	#7
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Perhaps this is why Switzerland is peaceful, neutral, non-interventionist, and logical. Maybe having men in charge kept them out of wars. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-05-2005, 09:32 PM	#8
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	aw, if you could have just kept a straight face, we might have had quite the stir, radar. I don't think the ladies would have put it past you to mean that. It is a shame that by the time they got the right to vote, their vote had become as meaningless as it is. but, to be fair they DO have all of the boobies. and swiss boobies at that. i don't know that they really needed the vote to get their way, do you? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

09-05-2005, 11:15 PM	#10
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	In your wildest dreams, boys! Attached Images

09-05-2005, 05:06 PM	#2
Perry Winkle Esnohplad Semaj Ton Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 2,259	switzerland

09-05-2005, 05:53 PM	#6
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Doesn't shock me. Its why my Swiss Mom renounced her Swiss citizenship in favor of the US. She was absolutely enraged that her native country was so conservative. While I tend to be a fan of the Swiss (naturally ), that aspect of Switzerland has always been incomprehensible to me.

09-05-2005, 10:43 PM	#9
Perry Winkle Esnohplad Semaj Ton Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 2,259	mmmmm, swiss miss boobies

09-23-2005, 08:35 AM	#12
SmartAZ Confounded Conjuror Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 33	You might give some thought to why women were not given the vote at first, and why the country got along so well for almost a century and a half with only the men in charge. There are several important reasons why women should not be allowed to vote. One is that the primary purpose of government is (or better be) defense. Defense is a masculine responsibility. Men kill things, and sometimes they get killed, defending their homes. Women prefer to avoid killing things. For that reason alone, women and men vote for very different leaders. Another reason is that women are inherently of a different political mindset from men. A man has a family, but a woman is a family. A family is inherently socialist. Each member contributes according to ability and each recieves according to need and it's all administered by a loving mother and supported by a loving father. (At least that's the way it's supposed to be.) A man lives in a totally opposite world where each works to meet his needs and is paid according to his merit. What we are seeing in the USA is an assault on the family. It began even before the revolution, with public education, which was made compulsory at the insistence of manufacturers about 150 years ago. The manufacturers specifically demanded schools modeled on the Prussian schools, which were modeled on the Indian buddhist schools, which were modeled on Greek and Latin schools for slaves! Yes, the public school system was developed specifically to turn out docile obedient workers! But the Prussians, buddhists, Greeks, and Romans didn't send upper class children to schools, they were educated by parents and tutors at home, and boys and girls were kept separated until they were old enough to attend formal social events. That resulted in boys learning the skills to be empire builders while girls learned the skills to manage homes and families. Throwing the girls and boys together leads to boys never learning how to act like men and girls thinking they can and should somehow be equal to boys. I don't suggest that one way is right and another wrong. I do suggest that the USA was a great country in the 19th century and was not a great country in the 20th century.

09-23-2005, 09:00 AM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It sure was a better world when we were 50% agricultural, had a life span of about 45 years, were not in any sense a global power (almost lost to those stinky Mexicans! Had our white house burned down by frikking Canadians!), and best of all, men were allowed to smack women around to keep them in line. Boy the good old days, eh? When you could be an sexist, racist, violent asshole and it was legal and acceptable. Must be hard for a tough guy like you nowadays! But not so tough that you can't spend a little time whining and complaining and blaming everyone else for how things are.

09-23-2005, 09:01 AM	#14
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Please don't feed the trolls. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

09-23-2005, 10:31 AM	#15
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Opens mouth to respond then thinks better of it Yes......let's not feed the trolls.....or the morons....not sure which category SmartAz comes under.

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