Be careful what you wish for.

Griff · 04-24-2010, 01:15 PM

The big government vs small government fight is supposedly on again. I'd rather we framed it as insensible vs sensible regulation. From the Bush years we got a lot of targeted deregulation and some regulation organized around the principle that what is good for big business is good for America. This turned into the recent subsidies for too big to fail companies. The democrats end up taking a lot of heat for increasing regulation often because it is poorly done or they fail to argue it as a protection of small business or competitiveness. Net neutrality would be an obvious case where regulation could protect innovation. An argument against regulation would be our present situation where small scale local slaughterhouses were put out of business by the good intentions of the left mixing with the reality that agribusiness owns agricultural rule-making. Here are some opinions on ag reg from the NYTimes. A lot of libertarian ideas make sense in isolation, but the reality has always been that those ideas are used by the GOP as excuses to deregulate to the advantage of big business. Maybe the Dems need to steal some of the rhetoric and the occasional idea.

ripvanwinkle · 04-24-2010, 11:32 PM

When do we reach the intolerable or have we already reached it?

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine

TheMercenary · 04-26-2010, 05:16 PM

When another Civil War starts again.

"Let's Roll!"

Spexxvet · 04-27-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

When another Civil War starts again.

"Let's Roll!"

Your bravado just indicates how small your penis is.

TheMercenary · 04-27-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

TheMercenary · 04-29-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Your bravado just indicates how small your penis is.

Only you would want to think about another posters Dick. Are you interested in my Dick?

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-08-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Your bravado just indicates how small your penis is.

Spexx -- how could you imagine that your posts do not? By claiming your dong is so vast that it sucks necessary bloodflow from your forebrain? No, my Southeast Vulgarian friend -- posts like 651986 just don't impress us with any idea that the Left can sustain wit or wisdom.

TheMercenary · 05-10-2010, 06:43 PM

He is "dong" worried.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-30-2010, 10:31 AM

That, and he doesn't want anyone thinking heroically. Bothers him. That's fuckin' low.

toranokaze · 06-19-2010, 10:55 PM

Deregulation is what has caused the major disasters the BP mess and the recession are direct results of deregulation and laxed enforment of regulations in place.

Griff · 06-20-2010, 05:58 AM

Beyond that, I'd say the problem they have is a lack of expertise. How can you regulate what you don't understand?

toranokaze · 06-26-2010, 03:14 AM

I don't know;however, that was part of why derivatives were so complicated.
So that they would be hard to regulate

Cicero · 06-26-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Your bravado just indicates how small your penis is.

And you wonder why it is suggested that you get slapped with exclusion from politically charged threads. Kthnx.
How does this serve the topic? At all?
I am happy to stay out of the mud-slinging most of the time, but this kind of post automatically deteriorates the quality of any sincere discussion. Just stop mmm'kay?
This was a great topic! Try to keep up instead triangulating your hatred on other posters.

I didn't understand prior to this why members were on you about your posts. This clears it up quite well.
OK done. Everyone resume.
This belongs back in the militia thread. I am not a fan of that thread but now I see exactly why it's necessary.

Griff · 06-26-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

This was a great topic! Try to keep up instead triangulating your hatred on other posters.

Thanks, I'm hoping some of our sharper thinkers can run with it.

classicman · 06-26-2010, 02:59 PM

I'm certainly not one of them, but here are couple thoughts fwiw . . .

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Originally Posted by toranokaze

Deregulation is what has caused the major disasters the BP mess....

not entirely - -their requests to drill in shallower water were refused. Something about environmental concerns. hmmm

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...and the recession are direct results of deregulation and laxed enforment of regulations in place.

I disagree with the former and agree with the latter. It is the Govt's inability or refusal to regulate. You can pile on regulation all you want and make the ill-informed happy, but without enforcement of the regulations already existing adding more serves no benefit except increasing costs.

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Originally Posted by Griff

How can you regulate what you don't understand?

Thats a whole nother can of worms. Good food for thought.

04-24-2010, 01:15 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Be careful what you wish for. The big government vs small government fight is supposedly on again. I'd rather we framed it as insensible vs sensible regulation. From the Bush years we got a lot of targeted deregulation and some regulation organized around the principle that what is good for big business is good for America. This turned into the recent subsidies for too big to fail companies. The democrats end up taking a lot of heat for increasing regulation often because it is poorly done or they fail to argue it as a protection of small business or competitiveness. Net neutrality would be an obvious case where regulation could protect innovation. An argument against regulation would be our present situation where small scale local slaughterhouses were put out of business by the good intentions of the left mixing with the reality that agribusiness owns agricultural rule-making. Here are some opinions on ag reg from the NYTimes. A lot of libertarian ideas make sense in isolation, but the reality has always been that those ideas are used by the GOP as excuses to deregulate to the advantage of big business. Maybe the Dems need to steal some of the rhetoric and the occasional idea. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

04-24-2010, 11:32 PM	#2
ripvanwinkle Kinda New Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1	All form of governments are evil When do we reach the intolerable or have we already reached it? Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

05-30-2010, 10:31 AM	#9
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	That, and he doesn't want anyone thinking heroically. Bothers him. That's fuckin' low. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-19-2010, 10:55 PM	#10
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	Deregulation is what has caused the major disasters the BP mess and the recession are direct results of deregulation and laxed enforment of regulations in place. __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

06-20-2010, 05:58 AM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Beyond that, I'd say the problem they have is a lack of expertise. How can you regulate what you don't understand? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

04-26-2010, 05:16 PM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	When another Civil War starts again. "Let's Roll!"

05-10-2010, 06:43 PM	#8
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	He is "dong" worried.

06-26-2010, 03:14 AM	#12
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	I don't know;however, that was part of why derivatives were so complicated. So that they would be hard to regulate __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

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