Mutiny?

warch · 10-15-2004, 02:20 PM

A Mississippi reservist calls home for help. The platoon of 17 refuses to go on "suicide" mission and is put under arrest. Oh brother. Bad apples or bad equipment or bad leadership? maybe we'll learn more.

Clarion Ledger article

10-15-2004, 02:31 PM

I've said it before on other threads, and I'll say it again: The soldiers whom I speak to who have just gotten back from Iraq to a man complain of inadequate supplies and equipment. I don't know where that $140 -$200 billion is going that we are spending on the war - maybe to line Halliburten's pockets - but not enough of it is going to support our guys. Ask any E3 just back from Iraq.

tw · 10-15-2004, 09:12 PM

I believe this is the new URL as if 15 Oct in the evening:
Platoon defies orders in Iraq

Apparently that unit is now in Tallil - where Tobias was stationed.

10-16-2004, 02:10 AM

From the news article:

"But Nadine Stratford of Rock Hill, S.C., said her godson Colin Durham, 20, has been happy with his time in Iraq. She has not heard from him since the platoon was detained.

'When I talked to him about a month ago, he was fine," Stratford said. "He said it was like being at home.'"

Remind me never to visit South Carolina!

Further info on this story from the AP:

"Staff Sgt. Christopher Stokes, a 37-year-old chemical engineer from Charlotte, N.C., went to Iraq with the 343rd but had to come home because of an injury. He said reservists were given inferior equipment and tensions in the company had been building since they were deployed in February.

"It wasn't really safe," he said. "The vehicles are not all that up to par anyway. The armor that they have is homemade. It's not really armor. It's like little steel rails."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=170615

Cyber Wolf · 10-16-2004, 07:43 PM

Imagine being told to jump out of an airplane while everyone above you in command knows the parachutes have gaping tears in them. Imagine being told either the tears are small and won't be a problem or to jump or else be thrown out of the plane. Imagine being the soldiers who actually see the tears and realize they're big enough for a man to walk through upright.

Sounds like these folks had strong attack of common sense. Someone better get on that case quick or the golem-mentality They've worked so hard to install might unravel.

richlevy · 10-16-2004, 10:28 PM

I thought this all sounded familiar. I don't remember where I heard about this, but the Port Chicago Mutiny was a significant case during WWII.

I doubt that this case brings up the racial issues. However, the article on the Iraq case did mention that reservists believe that they are being treated differently from regular Army soliders.

10-15-2004, 02:20 PM	#1
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Mutiny? A Mississippi reservist calls home for help. The platoon of 17 refuses to go on "suicide" mission and is put under arrest. Oh brother. Bad apples or bad equipment or bad leadership? maybe we'll learn more. Clarion Ledger article Last edited by warch; 10-15-2004 at 02:24 PM.

10-16-2004, 02:10 AM	#4
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	From the news article: "But Nadine Stratford of Rock Hill, S.C., said her godson Colin Durham, 20, has been happy with his time in Iraq. She has not heard from him since the platoon was detained. 'When I talked to him about a month ago, he was fine," Stratford said. "He said it was like being at home.'" Remind me never to visit South Carolina! Further info on this story from the AP: "Staff Sgt. Christopher Stokes, a 37-year-old chemical engineer from Charlotte, N.C., went to Iraq with the 343rd but had to come home because of an injury. He said reservists were given inferior equipment and tensions in the company had been building since they were deployed in February. "It wasn't really safe," he said. "The vehicles are not all that up to par anyway. The armor that they have is homemade. It's not really armor. It's like little steel rails." http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=170615 Last edited by marichiko; 10-16-2004 at 03:26 AM.

10-16-2004, 07:43 PM	#5
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	Imagine being told to jump out of an airplane while everyone above you in command knows the parachutes have gaping tears in them. Imagine being told either the tears are small and won't be a problem or to jump or else be thrown out of the plane. Imagine being the soldiers who actually see the tears and realize they're big enough for a man to walk through upright. Sounds like these folks had strong attack of common sense. Someone better get on that case quick or the golem-mentality They've worked so hard to install might unravel. __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

10-16-2004, 10:28 PM	#6
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Port Chicago Mutiny I thought this all sounded familiar. I don't remember where I heard about this, but the Port Chicago Mutiny was a significant case during WWII. I doubt that this case brings up the racial issues. However, the article on the Iraq case did mention that reservists believe that they are being treated differently from regular Army soliders. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

10-15-2004, 02:31 PM	#2
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	I've said it before on other threads, and I'll say it again: The soldiers whom I speak to who have just gotten back from Iraq to a man complain of inadequate supplies and equipment. I don't know where that $140 -$200 billion is going that we are spending on the war - maybe to line Halliburten's pockets - but not enough of it is going to support our guys. Ask any E3 just back from Iraq.

10-15-2004, 09:12 PM	#3
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	I believe this is the new URL as if 15 Oct in the evening: Platoon defies orders in Iraq Apparently that unit is now in Tallil - where Tobias was stationed.

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