Israelis Batter Gaza and Seize Hamas Officials

06-29-2006, 07:34 AM

They deserve each other.

Israelis Batter Gaza and Seize Hamas Officials

9th Engineer · 06-30-2006, 01:09 AM

Bah, the New York Times isn't any more accurate in their news coverage than Fox News, neither of which I frequent.

Griff · 06-30-2006, 06:35 AM

Sometimes if you read the last few paragraphs the NYT tells the whole story... sometimes.

elSicomoro · 06-30-2006, 07:19 AM

Both sides are so determined that they'll wind up wiping each other out if they're not careful.

Bullitt · 06-30-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

Both sides are so determined that they'll wind up wiping each other out if they're not careful.

Be careful? nah have at it guys, we'll just sit back and watch the fools play-tit for-tat

06-30-2006, 03:37 PM

Overkill anyone?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/30/wo...th&oref=slogin

Undertoad · 06-30-2006, 03:45 PM

If the elected government of these people is waging undeclared war, then no, there is no overkill in war. Force is to be answered with overwhelming force at all times. Hamas performs acts of war, then they need to taste war to see if that's what they really wanted.

MaggieL · 06-30-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Force is to be answered with overwhelming force at all times. Hamas performs acts of war, then they need to taste war to see if that's what they really wanted.

What they wanted was asymmetric warfare. But not *that* asymmetric. :-)

What they wanted was "we do anything we want, then hide among civilians...then if you should somehow manage to catch us we want to be treated as if we weren't violating the law of war".

xoxoxoBruce · 06-30-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

If the elected government of these people is waging undeclared war, then no, there is no overkill in war. Force is to be answered with overwhelming force at all times. Hamas performs acts of war, then they need to taste war to see if that's what they really wanted.

Then shouldn't they be treated as prisoners of war? Israel says they will be prosecuted as civil criminals.

richlevy · 07-02-2006, 12:06 PM

The peoblem is that they are elected officials. After Israel's independence, a number of their top officials were former members of the army and resistance. Once Israel became a nation, this indemnified them against the British coming in an arresting them.

The only acting leader of a sovereign nation arrested by an external nation without a civil war or conventional war is Noriega.

The question of course is whether or not the Palastinian autorities are recognized by the UN as a legitimate government.

tw · 07-02-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

The only acting leader of a sovereign nation arrested by an external nation without a civil war or conventional war is Noriega.

A most interesting sidebar. For example, when Taylor was arrested in Nigeria, then would he also qualify? I find it rather amazing that only Noriega meets that criterion. And I have long been surprised that no one questions the legal basis for that arrest. At any rate, can anyone provide exceptions to the statement that Noriega was the only one arrested?

MsSparkie · 07-02-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

The peoblem is that they are elected officials. After Israel's independence, a number of their top officials were former members of the army and resistance. Once Israel became a nation, this indemnified them against the British coming in an arresting them.

The only acting leader of a sovereign nation arrested by an external nation without a civil war or conventional war is Noriega.

The question of course is whether or not the Palastinian autorities are recognized by the UN as a legitimate government.

Who would have had the onions to vote against them? Muslims really need to find a time travel machine to get with the program. Where is Dr. Who when you need him?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-03-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

The peoblem is that they are elected officials. After Israel's independence, a number of their top officials were former members of the army and resistance. Once Israel became a nation, this indemnified them against the British coming in an arresting them.

The only acting leader of a sovereign nation arrested by an external nation without a civil war or conventional war is Noriega.

The question of course is whether or not the Palastinian autorities are recognized by the UN as a legitimate government.

Try explaining to an 800 lb gorilla that he's not allowed to do that.

07-03-2006, 01:46 PM

Israel Steps Up Raids in Bid to Free Soldier

06-29-2006, 07:34 AM	#1
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Israelis Batter Gaza and Seize Hamas Officials They deserve each other. Israelis Batter Gaza and Seize Hamas Officials

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07-02-2006, 12:06 PM	#10
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	The peoblem is that they are elected officials. After Israel's independence, a number of their top officials were former members of the army and resistance. Once Israel became a nation, this indemnified them against the British coming in an arresting them. The only acting leader of a sovereign nation arrested by an external nation without a civil war or conventional war is Noriega. The question of course is whether or not the Palastinian autorities are recognized by the UN as a legitimate government. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

06-30-2006, 07:19 AM	#4
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Both sides are so determined that they'll wind up wiping each other out if they're not careful.

06-30-2006, 03:37 PM	#6
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Overkill anyone? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/30/wo...th&oref=slogin

06-30-2006, 03:45 PM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If the elected government of these people is waging undeclared war, then no, there is no overkill in war. Force is to be answered with overwhelming force at all times. Hamas performs acts of war, then they need to taste war to see if that's what they really wanted.

07-03-2006, 01:46 PM	#14
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