Amnesty In America

skysidhe · 05-24-2007, 11:12 PM

I am confused about this bill that is going to pass the Senate.
I have alot of questions. Please comment on your vote. Thank you

piercehawkeye45 · 05-24-2007, 11:22 PM

Too confusing. A point system is very stupid way to handle an issue like this. There is only one way to solve this problem and no one is even considering it.

bluecuracao · 05-24-2007, 11:25 PM

Well, the bill doesn't involve amnesty for one thing. There's a large fine proposed, along with a few other things. What are your questions?

halley · 05-29-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Well, the bill doesn't involve amnesty for one thing. There's a large fine proposed, along with a few other things. What are your questions?

Legal status is instant amnesty. Legal status means they will have all the rights and benefits as a citizen.
$5,000 is not a fine. Citizenship is not for sale and there is only one way to get it and they is by following the same laws that every one else does.
They have 8 years to pay the fine. Back taxes is forgiven. Why would they want citizenship if they already have legal status?
Nothing will happen if this bill is passed but amnesty through legal status. We will never see the fine implemented, work place enforcement or the border secure.
It did not happen in 1986. Why would we believe it would happen today.
This bill will never pass with a so called path to citizenshp.
There is not one set of laws for one group of people and another set for another. We all play by the same rules.

bluecuracao · 05-29-2007, 06:57 PM

I'm curious--what is your definition of a fine, halley?

According to the bill, it would be a fine. There would be no "instant amnesty;" temporary legal status would only be obtained by acknowledgement of law-breaking and paying a $1000 fine, and passing a background check.

skysidhe · 05-24-2007, 11:37 PM

can you both elaborate a little?

What is the point system?
What is the one way to solve this no one is considering?
Why dosn't the bill involve amnesty?
What are the other things besides the fine?

thanks for answers in advance...

bluecuracao · 05-25-2007, 12:27 AM

This article helps explain the point system.

As for the punishments/conditions and how it is not amnesty, this will help.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-25-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

This article helps explain the point system.

As for the punishments/conditions and how it is not amnesty, this will help.

The law says people that have entered this country illegally are to be deported. If they are not, it is amnesty.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-25-2007, 12:07 AM

The point system is a way of telling who can get into the country and who can't. Like if you have a child or something you get a certain amount of points, if you can speak English you get a certain amount of points, etc. I don't know exactly how it works but point systems never work so this one won't either, especially when it comes to immigration.

How to solve our immigration problem.... I am probably going to take fire from this but I the immigration rush is a direct result of capitalism and imperialism. The US goes to countries installs a system which keeps the people in that country poor and the American companies and puppet regimes of that country keep the profit.

Now, the immigration debate is usually split into two parts. One side wants to kick them out and one side wants to let them in. Basically the pro and con from each side are that immigrants are taking our jobs, creating a population explosion, and robbing people of their tax money put kicking them out is unrealistic, unethical, and very expensive while the other sides is that they help us with economy by taking undesirable, low paying jobs, we are a nation of immigrant so it is hypocritical to kick them out, and they do pay taxes while they are overrunning our country etc.

To get to the point neither side is good and while finding a balance between the two will help, it won't solve anything. Those two solutions are just solving the result of the problem while doing nothing to solve the initial problem.

The initial problem is that they have very tough lives in Mexico and Central and South America and they want to live a better life in America. We only accept a very few amount of people in and many can't wait that long since the waiting lists is years long.

Instead of stopping immigration we should focus on what causes these people to immigrate to America and solve that. Allowing all the immigrants in America will only encourage more to come and banning them from coming will drastically hurt relations and bottle the problem up to a revolution status similar to Iran's Islamic Revolution.

Neither of these is desirable so of course the best solution is to solve the problem at its start. The way to solve this is to help Mexico and the rest of the Americas to get on their feet and support their economy instead of taking advantage of them. This will bring them up to us instead of us pushing them down to raise our level.

duck_duck · 05-25-2007, 05:24 AM

Everything americans do is confusing so why is this different? Half of you think it is acceptable to be invaded and the other half does not.

Spexxvet · 05-25-2007, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by duck_duck

Everything americans do is confusing so why is this different? Half of you think it is acceptable to be invaded and the other half does not.

That's the way we are on every issue.

skysidhe · 05-25-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

That's the way we are on every issue.

blame the religious right for that.

Trilby · 05-25-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

blame the religious right for that.

Or, just blame the entire nation--that seems reasonable.

skysidhe · 05-26-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Or, just blame the entire nation--that seems reasonable.

I don't know about that. I am pretty sure Al Gore won the popular vote. The people voted Democrates to lead both the House and the Senate so things should be going our way.

I guess we need to be sticking more than a flimsy twig in that Republican cog.

Trilby · 05-25-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by duck_duck

Everything americans do is confusing so why is this different? Half of you think it is acceptable to be invaded and the other half does not.

That's a big part of our charm, duck. When do you go away again? I can't wait.

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05-24-2007, 11:22 PM	#2
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Too confusing. A point system is very stupid way to handle an issue like this. There is only one way to solve this problem and no one is even considering it.

05-24-2007, 11:25 PM	#3
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Well, the bill doesn't involve amnesty for one thing. There's a large fine proposed, along with a few other things. What are your questions?

05-29-2007, 06:57 PM	#5
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	I'm curious--what is your definition of a fine, halley? According to the bill, it would be a fine. There would be no "instant amnesty;" temporary legal status would only be obtained by acknowledgement of law-breaking and paying a $1000 fine, and passing a background check.

05-24-2007, 11:37 PM	#6
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	can you both elaborate a little? What is the point system? What is the one way to solve this no one is considering? Why dosn't the bill involve amnesty? What are the other things besides the fine? thanks for answers in advance...

05-25-2007, 12:27 AM	#7
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	This article helps explain the point system. As for the punishments/conditions and how it is not amnesty, this will help.

05-25-2007, 12:07 AM	#9
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The point system is a way of telling who can get into the country and who can't. Like if you have a child or something you get a certain amount of points, if you can speak English you get a certain amount of points, etc. I don't know exactly how it works but point systems never work so this one won't either, especially when it comes to immigration. How to solve our immigration problem.... I am probably going to take fire from this but I the immigration rush is a direct result of capitalism and imperialism. The US goes to countries installs a system which keeps the people in that country poor and the American companies and puppet regimes of that country keep the profit. Now, the immigration debate is usually split into two parts. One side wants to kick them out and one side wants to let them in. Basically the pro and con from each side are that immigrants are taking our jobs, creating a population explosion, and robbing people of their tax money put kicking them out is unrealistic, unethical, and very expensive while the other sides is that they help us with economy by taking undesirable, low paying jobs, we are a nation of immigrant so it is hypocritical to kick them out, and they do pay taxes while they are overrunning our country etc. To get to the point neither side is good and while finding a balance between the two will help, it won't solve anything. Those two solutions are just solving the result of the problem while doing nothing to solve the initial problem. The initial problem is that they have very tough lives in Mexico and Central and South America and they want to live a better life in America. We only accept a very few amount of people in and many can't wait that long since the waiting lists is years long. Instead of stopping immigration we should focus on what causes these people to immigrate to America and solve that. Allowing all the immigrants in America will only encourage more to come and banning them from coming will drastically hurt relations and bottle the problem up to a revolution status similar to Iran's Islamic Revolution. Neither of these is desirable so of course the best solution is to solve the problem at its start. The way to solve this is to help Mexico and the rest of the Americas to get on their feet and support their economy instead of taking advantage of them. This will bring them up to us instead of us pushing them down to raise our level.

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