Israel has plan to attack Iran nuclear plants with low velocity nuclear bombs

[Cyclefrance]

Headline in today's Sunday Times - Israel have a plan that would be put into effect if the need arose to launch a strike on Iran's main nuclear facility - the one that is capable of providing enriched uranium.

It's quite a detailed report showing the attack plan involving conventional laser-guided bombs that would open a channel to the underground facilty whereupon a pinpoint-targetted nuclear bomb with the velocity of about a tenth of the Hiroshima bomb would be used to blow open and destroy the production plant.

Online edition here for more details.

Now why do I feel that this isn't going to help any Middle East peace process....?

[Ibby]

Yes, and?

Its no different than the fact that EVERY country with nukes has MANY different attack plans ready to implement. The US probably has a plan to put a bomb on EVERY major city or capitol worldwide. That doesnt mean they will.

[wolf]

In the Middle East, this is considered diplomacy.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by wolf

In the Middle East, this is considered diplomacy.

chuckle

[Cyclefrance]

Read the article and on page 3 it's recounted how Israel attacked Iraq's nuclear plant in 1981 - while the USA nor any other western govt would ever consent to an attack, history showed that these govts didn't exactly go overboard to condemn Israel after it happened in 1981.

It may be sabre-rattling at the moment but Israel has a habit and history of defending itself by attacking first. Maybe it was meant as a manoeuvre to get the Iranians to comply with the UN. However, as a result of the adversaries concerned it just leaves one feeling a little more uneasy than usual.

[Aliantha]

You know, the quote above about Israel having a 'history of defending itself by attacking first' and then somehow being able to appear to be the under dog makes me think about how the old testament was mostly about the Jews and mostly written by Jews.

I wonder how twisted that story is too.

[wolf]

A careful read of the Old Testament does not reflect well on the Jews ... especially when you get through Kings and Chronicles, which basically say over and over ...

"Yea, King (insertname) did make burnt offerings to the abomination and was smote by the God of the Hebrews."

Over and over and over again.

They never seemed to "get" it. Make a pleasurable odor unto the Hebrew God, you're good. Burn the same cow to the idol of the God from the nearby town, you're toast.

[piercehawkeye45]

Israel denys the claims. Doesn't mean anything though.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

[tw]

So many posts and yet where are the esential details even mentioned? A 2000 mile trip cannot happen without numerous mid-air refuelings; not possible without American cooperation. Look at the map. How do Israeli fighter get there and back? Yes, the story has merit. But notice what / how are also necessary to execute nuclear war - as if there were no consequences.

This would not be an Israeli only attack as should have been obvious to all who read Cyclefrance's first post. Of course, an America on a religious crusade - that is acceptable. If it goes bad, the mental midget actually thinks Israel can take all the blame. George Jr administration is that dumb - and dangerous. Only someone with an Urbane cannot fodder intelligence would not see how severe those consquences would be. Worse, that is exactly the attitude and mentality of President Cheney - who also insists the US presidency does not have enough power.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

This would not be an Israeli only attack as should have been obvious to all who read Cyclefrance's first post. Of course, an America on a religious crusade - that is acceptable.

Though much disapproved of by those like tw who don't want America to win, in their, ah, sophistication.

Originally Posted by tw

Only someone with an Urbane cannot fodder intelligence would not see how severe those consquences would be.

And only someone with a tw "cannot copyedit" intelligence would let a sentence that badly written out of the chute -- just to undermine anyone's perception that his argument might have wisdom. Boo.

Originally Posted by tw

Worse, that is exactly the attitude and mentality of President Cheney - who also insists the US presidency does not have enough power.

Calling you a nutcase merely names the problem. It does not cure.

[Flint]

...a detailed report showing the attack plan involving conventional laser-guided bombs that would open a channel to the underground facilty...

It's best to have a clear strategy when attempting to penetrate a bad place.

[wolf]

That Israel has the most to lose if an Arab state goes nuclear is W's fault?

I think I missed a step in there somewhere.

[tw]

Originally Posted by wolf

That Israel has the most to lose if an Arab state goes nuclear is W's fault?

I think I missed a step in there somewhere.

Where have you been all these years? Iran that did not go for nuclear, biological and other weapons after being told that American will "Pearl Harbor" Iran - an Iran that did not build every weapon it could, instead, would be its own worst enemy.

We have told the world who we will attack unilaterally, without a declaration of war, and with total disregard for international law - Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. That is not even disputable.

Meanwhile, did you notice what happened to the Iranian reform movement - people who once advocated friendship with the US? That completely disintegrates as soon as the US obviously and clearly announced intent to "Pearl Harbor" Iran. Of course it would. What hope did a reform movement have once the US made it impossible to be a moderate? This too is so miserably obvious that only an Urbane Guerrilla mentality could deny it.

What is worse, the boisterous threats on Iran even violate principles in “Art of War”. Intelligent nations just do not do what George Jr did in his 2002 State of the Union Address. Yes, it again goes right the heat of ‘big dic’ intelligence from a president who therefore said “Bring ‘me on”. We now have the problem we wanted.

Had you been watching, majority of Iranians wanted their extremist leadership removed. Iranians were slowly moving in that direction until America's worst president ever opened his mouth. Only 'big dic' thinkers did not realize the consequences of that 'axis of evil' speech.

We now reap what we sowed.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The Lockheed F-16 has a range of 3200+ miles. The Israeli F-16I 'Fighting Falcon' has modified internal fuel tanks that they claim are 50 % larger, plus 600 gallon wing tanks.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The Lockheed F-16 has a range of 3200+ miles. The Israeli F-16I 'Fighting Falcon' has ...

The F-16I has an unrefueled combat strike radius well in excess of 500 miles.

Without arms, the plane may do 800 miles. To find military aircraft that go thousands of miles, they are slow and optimized for efficiency - bombers and transport aircraft.

To attack Iran, Israel must have complete cooperation of the US or must launch attacks through nations that are not so friendly to Israel. The exception: Turkey. But would Turkey cooperate with israel to attack Iran? Again, that very first post means immediatley consulting maps. Do you think for one minute such an attack would not have severe nuclear consequences for the entire region? Well, neocons would deny it using 'political agenda' justification - ie Cheney, George Jr, and Urbane Guerrilla.