Mozilla Release Candidate 1

04-27-2002, 03:15 PM

Wow. This is actually... nice.

I'd been using Mozilla 0.9.6 for the past few months, mainly because new Mozilla RPMs would break and I'd just have to remove them and go back to 0.9.6. Well, today I decided I'd upgrade. Moved the ol' .mozilla directory, rpm -e'd mozilla-0.9.6-0 and installed the new stuff. I needed to download 2 RPMs from Mozilla - mozilla-1.0rc1-0.i386.rpm and mozilla-nspr-1.0rc1-0.i386.rpm. The second one contains some files that used to be in the regular mozilla RPM. Anyway, once I installed those two, I launched Mozilla. Wahoo! It worked. I changed the theme, set my preferences, and quit. Then I put my bookmarks file in the new profile directory and fired it back up again.

I have to say, I only notice a little bit of an improvement in launching time. It's now up instantly instead of "almost instantly". But my computer is stupidly fast, so that's not really an issue. What I do notice as much improved is the interface - it seems to react a lot faster now. Maybe it's just me being optimistic, but it just feels better.

Rendering looks pretty good. But it has for quite some time now. It does seem to be getting a little faster.

One annoying thing is that if you're typing in a text entry area (like this one), you can't hit CTRL-N and have it bring up a new window. It just ignores it. However, if you hit CTRL-T, it does bring up a new tab, which is handy enough.

Anyway, so far I'm liking it. I'll keep posting and let you guys know.

mbpark · 04-27-2002, 03:17 PM

What more can I say?

I use it every day now instead of IE.

It rocks.

No pop up windows.

It's stable.

No COM stuff, and it just works.

A tad slow (because I am using a Nightly Talkback Build), but I use it as my default browser now.

Next, someone's going to find a way to reroute most functionality in MSHTML.DLL (the core Microsoft IE DLL) to Mozilla

.

Mitch

04-27-2002, 04:22 PM

Note to all those interested: take caution in installing the Google toolbar for Mozilla (http://googlebar.mozdev.org). It fucked up my Mozilla - the Menu bar went away, never to return (until I uninstalled and re-installed). Even after I removed the Googlebar. Just so you know.

04-27-2002, 05:08 PM

Mozilla on MacOS X is nice too!

If you leave the "Classic" theme (which I always change, except in this case), it emulates the MacOS X look. Of course, the menus and everything are actual Cocoa. Very nice.

It's actually pretty zippy on my system - but then again, my system is a Dual 800MHz PowerMac with 1.152 GB of RAM. So your mileage may vary.

mbpark · 04-27-2002, 05:43 PM

However, Mozilla is able to handle all the IE stuff now, and doesn't shit the bed on ESPN.com like IE6 will. Plus, you can configure the size of the memory cache (let's see...512MB RAM here, and I am running a 40MB cache).

I wish I would have gotten it running on the sister's Athlon XP under WinXP just to see how it ran

. Meanwhile, the MP test under an Intel chip will be coming soon.

First, however, I'm going to run it under LinuxPPC on an AmigaOne. We'll see how it runs there.

Meanwhile, I am more than happy with the performance here as compared to the earlier builds.

You can search using Google too, which kicks butt. Much better than MSN search.

This is one of the best Open Source products ever, next to the GNU compilers.

mbpark · 04-27-2002, 07:21 PM

I am using the 04/27 nightly for Windows.

This is faster than IE 6. As in night and day difference.

Mitch

jaguar · 04-27-2002, 09:18 PM

Even the start itme i similar to IE now, this rocks!!

Only thign now is - how can i get multiple toolbars on one line. I managed to get my IE down to one line, i wanna do somethign similar with moz, at least get bookmarks and google on the same line, this possible?

MaggieL · 04-28-2002, 07:09 PM

Well, I'm up on RC1 here now myself, installed from the RPMs. This should be interesting.

Undertoad · 04-28-2002, 07:24 PM

You may not really need the Google toolbar if all you do is search from it. Under Preferences, Navigator, Internet Search, select Google. Then enter your search terms into the location box. Instead of hitting enter, hit tab. Magic, you're entering a search term for Google.

04-28-2002, 07:43 PM

I know. I've been doing that for a long time. But I use the Google Toolbar at work and was hoping that the Mozilla version would be capable. However, it is not

It ran as root fine, but it was fugly. It's forever gone from my system

04-28-2002, 07:45 PM

Also - Maggie, if you didn't install the NSS and PSM RPM's, you might want to - they allow you to hit secure sites and do banking shit and whatnot online. I didn't originally install them, but I have now, and now my bank website works like a charm, whereas before I would have to switch to a Mac and use IE. Very nice.

I'm using the Gray Modern theme. It's sexy.

MaggieL · 04-28-2002, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dhamsaic
Also - Maggie, if you didn't install the NSS and PSM RPM's, you might want to - they allow you to hit secure sites and do banking shit and whatnot online.

https: stuff was already working fine for me before with 0.9.2. When I saw the NSS and PSM RPM's I figured they were A Good Thing, since you'd already said NSPR was function that used to be integrated. They seem to have fixed the textbox editing mess, and also whatever it was that broke RealPlayer.

Quote:

I'm using the Gray Modern theme. It's sexy.

I've been running with Modern for quite a while. <b>Gray</b> Modern, you say? Hmmm....link here says "Get More Themes..."

How nice. There is only Xul!

Say, don't miss the DOM inspector if you do any HTML work (especially reverse engineering crap Somebody Else Wrote).

Ever look at a page and wish you could navigate the logical structure of the page as a tree widget without leaving your browser?

Ever wish you could point to some part of a page and be whisked
directly to the fragment of HTML that made it happen?

Wish no more. Mozilla DOM Inspector:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/insp...creens/ss1.png

Undertoad · 04-28-2002, 08:18 PM

OMG, themes are happening again. This is a great thing. If you hit View -> Apply Theme -> Get New Themes, you'll notice that there are already six themes to choose from. Jag, you might like "LittleMozilla" if you want the toolbars to take less space. "Pinball" is also extremely compact. All are fun to mess with.

MaggieL · 04-28-2002, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
OMG, themes are happening again. This is a great thing. .

Yeah, my daughter was just getting hyped on Moz when she got interested in themeing. Unfortunately that was about the time they pulled back the old themeing language in favor of Xul.

And my *goodness*, it's nice to not to have to fight with this textbox anymore. There is a whole pile of other annoying little bugs that have been fixed.

And since I was on 0.9.2 before, there were no tabbed browser windows. This will change my surfing habits profoundly...things I used to need a window for now only need a tab. This way when I go to a news site and open a pile of headlines, they can each go in a tab on a single window, keeping all the pages from that site in a single window.

Nifty.

jaguar · 04-28-2002, 11:28 PM

UT i use the google bar for auto image searching etc as well as baisc search so i'd rahter keep it, but thanks all the same =) I ended up culling the file, edit etc menu instead.

04-27-2002, 03:15 PM	#1
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Mozilla Release Candidate 1 Wow. This is actually... nice. I'd been using Mozilla 0.9.6 for the past few months, mainly because new Mozilla RPMs would break and I'd just have to remove them and go back to 0.9.6. Well, today I decided I'd upgrade. Moved the ol' .mozilla directory, rpm -e'd mozilla-0.9.6-0 and installed the new stuff. I needed to download 2 RPMs from Mozilla - mozilla-1.0rc1-0.i386.rpm and mozilla-nspr-1.0rc1-0.i386.rpm. The second one contains some files that used to be in the regular mozilla RPM. Anyway, once I installed those two, I launched Mozilla. Wahoo! It worked. I changed the theme, set my preferences, and quit. Then I put my bookmarks file in the new profile directory and fired it back up again. I have to say, I only notice a little bit of an improvement in launching time. It's now up instantly instead of "almost instantly". But my computer is stupidly fast, so that's not really an issue. What I do notice as much improved is the interface - it seems to react a lot faster now. Maybe it's just me being optimistic, but it just feels better. Rendering looks pretty good. But it has for quite some time now. It does seem to be getting a little faster. One annoying thing is that if you're typing in a text entry area (like this one), you can't hit CTRL-N and have it bring up a new window. It just ignores it. However, if you hit CTRL-T, it does bring up a new tab, which is handy enough. Anyway, so far I'm liking it. I'll keep posting and let you guys know.

04-27-2002, 03:17 PM	#2
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	Mozilla 1.0 RC1 under Windows 2000 What more can I say? I use it every day now instead of IE. It rocks. No pop up windows. It's stable. No COM stuff, and it just works. A tad slow (because I am using a Nightly Talkback Build), but I use it as my default browser now. Next, someone's going to find a way to reroute most functionality in MSHTML.DLL (the core Microsoft IE DLL) to Mozilla . Mitch

04-27-2002, 05:43 PM	#5
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	Well, I could stand to make this faster :) However, Mozilla is able to handle all the IE stuff now, and doesn't shit the bed on ESPN.com like IE6 will. Plus, you can configure the size of the memory cache (let's see...512MB RAM here, and I am running a 40MB cache). I wish I would have gotten it running on the sister's Athlon XP under WinXP just to see how it ran . Meanwhile, the MP test under an Intel chip will be coming soon. First, however, I'm going to run it under LinuxPPC on an AmigaOne. We'll see how it runs there. Meanwhile, I am more than happy with the performance here as compared to the earlier builds. You can search using Google too, which kicks butt. Much better than MSN search. This is one of the best Open Source products ever, next to the GNU compilers.

04-27-2002, 07:21 PM	#6
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	ok, my bad I am using the 04/27 nightly for Windows. This is faster than IE 6. As in night and day difference. Mitch

04-27-2002, 09:18 PM	#7
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Even the start itme i similar to IE now, this rocks!! Only thign now is - how can i get multiple toolbars on one line. I managed to get my IE down to one line, i wanna do somethign similar with moz, at least get bookmarks and google on the same line, this possible? __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 04-27-2002 at 09:21 PM.

04-27-2002, 04:22 PM	#3
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Note to all those interested: take caution in installing the Google toolbar for Mozilla (http://googlebar.mozdev.org). It fucked up my Mozilla - the Menu bar went away, never to return (until I uninstalled and re-installed). Even after I removed the Googlebar. Just so you know.

04-27-2002, 05:08 PM	#4
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Mozilla on MacOS X is nice too! If you leave the "Classic" theme (which I always change, except in this case), it emulates the MacOS X look. Of course, the menus and everything are actual Cocoa. Very nice. It's actually pretty zippy on my system - but then again, my system is a Dual 800MHz PowerMac with 1.152 GB of RAM. So your mileage may vary.

04-28-2002, 07:09 PM	#8
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	Well, I'm up on RC1 here now myself, installed from the RPMs. This should be interesting. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

04-28-2002, 07:24 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You may not really need the Google toolbar if all you do is search from it. Under Preferences, Navigator, Internet Search, select Google. Then enter your search terms into the location box. Instead of hitting enter, hit tab. Magic, you're entering a search term for Google.

04-28-2002, 07:43 PM	#10
dave Guest Posts: n/a	I know. I've been doing that for a long time. But I use the Google Toolbar at work and was hoping that the Mozilla version would be capable. However, it is not It ran as root fine, but it was fugly. It's forever gone from my system

04-28-2002, 07:45 PM	#11
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Also - Maggie, if you didn't install the NSS and PSM RPM's, you might want to - they allow you to hit secure sites and do banking shit and whatnot online. I didn't originally install them, but I have now, and now my bank website works like a charm, whereas before I would have to switch to a Mac and use IE. Very nice. I'm using the Gray Modern theme. It's sexy.

04-28-2002, 08:18 PM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	OMG, themes are happening again. This is a great thing. If you hit View -> Apply Theme -> Get New Themes, you'll notice that there are already six themes to choose from. Jag, you might like "LittleMozilla" if you want the toolbars to take less space. "Pinball" is also extremely compact. All are fun to mess with.

04-28-2002, 11:28 PM	#15
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	UT i use the google bar for auto image searching etc as well as baisc search so i'd rahter keep it, but thanks all the same =) I ended up culling the file, edit etc menu instead. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

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