McCain should have picked a different plumber

dar512 · 10-17-2008, 10:56 AM

Joe the plumber -- not a plumber. At least he has no plumbing license for the area in which he works. So it's going to be a while before he can think about owning his own plumbing business.

And the whole "who's tax plan is going to be best for Joe?" Doesn't really matter 'cause he hasn't been paying his taxes anyway.

Shawnee123 · 10-17-2008, 11:17 AM

Heh...

Facts have no place in politics, buster!

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 11:25 AM

Don't miss the point. Small business is going to take it in the shorts under an Obama economic plan.

SteveBsjb · 10-17-2008, 11:29 AM

And he's not registered to vote. And his name isn't Joe.

Radar · 10-17-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Don't miss the point. Small business is going to take it in the shorts under an Obama economic plan.

2%-3% of small businesses make over $250k per year in profits. At that point, they aren't so small and they can afford it a bit more than those who are making $50k per year. I guess Obama is only better for the 97-98% who make less than that.

classicman · 10-17-2008, 11:30 AM

McCain didn't pick him and the guy just asked a question. Was it really necessary to hire private investigators to look into this guys entire life? Just because he asked Obama a question? Wow, just wow! I thought only right wing wacko's did that stuff. Looks like the Dems have come full circle.

Pico and ME · 10-17-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

McCain didn't pick him and the guy just asked a question. Was it really necessary to hire private investigators to look into this guys entire life? Just because he asked Obama a question? Wow, just wow! I thought only right wing wacko's did that stuff. Looks like the Dems have come full circle.

Classic, lay the blame on the GOP. First Fox films the transaction, and then McCain uses it in the debate to slam Obama. I don't think there accidental about the whole thing.

Radar · 10-17-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Classic, lay the blame on the GOP. First Fox films the transaction, and then McCain uses it in the debate to slam Obama. I don't think there accidental about the whole thing.

There was no accident. Fox made sure they were there, and the Republicans put that guy there to ambush Obama on camera. I'm just happy Obama handled it with class, honesty, and integrity rather than telling the guy to fuck off as he deserved to be told.

classicman · 10-17-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

There was no accident. Fox made sure they were there, and the Republicans put that guy there to ambush Obama on camera.

Yeh - The picked a guy who isn't licensed, who owes back taxes "though officials admitted he might not know about the arrears." and only makes $40,000. Go get your foil hat and put a strap on it. It seems to have fallen off and allowed some harmful sun to bake whats left of your brain.

Pico and ME · 10-17-2008, 11:31 AM

I think the 'point' would have more impact if it was actually given by a small business owner.

And anyway, given the scenario this guy gave, I've read that his tax liability would only increase by $800 to $900. Thats enough to keep him from opening his own business?

Merc what information do you have that small businesses are going to take a hit with Obamas plan? I have to admit that I don't know enough of the details.

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

I think the 'point' would have more impact if it was actually given by a small business owner.

And anyway, given the scenario this guy gave, I've read that his tax liability would only increase by $800 to $900. Thats enough to keep him from opening his own business?

Merc what information do you have that small businesses are going to take a hit with Obamas plan? I have to admit that I don't know enough of the details.

He has stated, categorically, that he would rais taxes on any person or business that had more than 250k income. That is a whole bunch of small businesses.

Pico and ME · 10-17-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

He has stated, categorically, that he would rais taxes on any person or business that had more than 250k income. That is a whole bunch of small businesses.

Isnt the increase only 3%?

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Isnt the increase only 3%?

I guess we will see when he gets in office. If you make 250K you aleady pay 35% in taxes. Now that would make it 38%. State tax here is 7%. So basically you think these people should pay 45% of every dollar earned?!?!??! WTF? where is the incentive to work? Isn't 42% enough already?

SteveBsjb · 10-17-2008, 11:55 AM

All I can say is the title of this thread is 100% correct.

All's fair in love and politics. McCain should have had him fully vetted prior to using his name a dozen times in the debate.

classicman · 10-17-2008, 11:38 AM

Blame them for what? OMG please stop with the conspiracy theories. It's really unbecoming of you.

If you want details of Obama's tax plan or anything else just go to his site and look them up. All the details are there - all you gotta do is read 'em. I would have thought you already did that.

10-17-2008, 10:56 AM	#1
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	McCain should have picked a different plumber Joe the plumber -- not a plumber. At least he has no plumbing license for the area in which he works. So it's going to be a while before he can think about owning his own plumbing business. And the whole "who's tax plan is going to be best for Joe?" Doesn't really matter 'cause he hasn't been paying his taxes anyway. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

10-17-2008, 11:17 AM	#2
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Heh... Facts have no place in politics, buster! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-17-2008, 11:25 AM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Don't miss the point. Small business is going to take it in the shorts under an Obama economic plan. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-17-2008, 11:29 AM	#4
SteveBsjb Operations Operative Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moved from Manhattan to Edgewater, NJ. Posts: 713	And he's not registered to vote. And his name isn't Joe. __________________ "It's only an internet community."

10-17-2008, 11:30 AM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	McCain didn't pick him and the guy just asked a question. Was it really necessary to hire private investigators to look into this guys entire life? Just because he asked Obama a question? Wow, just wow! I thought only right wing wacko's did that stuff. Looks like the Dems have come full circle. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-17-2008, 11:31 AM	#10
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	I think the 'point' would have more impact if it was actually given by a small business owner. And anyway, given the scenario this guy gave, I've read that his tax liability would only increase by $800 to $900. Thats enough to keep him from opening his own business? Merc what information do you have that small businesses are going to take a hit with Obamas plan? I have to admit that I don't know enough of the details.

10-17-2008, 11:55 AM	#14
SteveBsjb Operations Operative Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moved from Manhattan to Edgewater, NJ. Posts: 713	All I can say is the title of this thread is 100% correct. All's fair in love and politics. McCain should have had him fully vetted prior to using his name a dozen times in the debate. __________________ "It's only an internet community."

10-17-2008, 11:38 AM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Blame them for what? OMG please stop with the conspiracy theories. It's really unbecoming of you. If you want details of Obama's tax plan or anything else just go to his site and look them up. All the details are there - all you gotta do is read 'em. I would have thought you already did that. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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