OMG SG!

monster · 02-04-2011, 09:58 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12372097

what is this crap? they hold you up forever and then scrap the fucking thing?
This is what you were waiting on forever, right? What a fiasco. OK I guess this should be in current affairs, but it isn't, so sue me. After you've got your "messing with monster" background checks......

Sundae · 02-05-2011, 04:51 AM

No, it's okay - it was already being reviewed when I applied. The VBS was actually a lower level check than the CRB and lower still than the Enhanced CRB (which was the one which held me up for over 3 months).

The VRB was always contentious, it created an enormous amount of paperwork for people who only saw children incidentally (once a month!), never in isolation and were never in a position to pose any threat. Also, the vast majority of abuse happens within the home or by people within the family's close inner circle (neighbour/ best friend/ partner of family member etc) and even these draconian measures would not prevent that.

I am classified as having "intensive contact with the young" so my Enhanced CRB is still deemed necessary. And I do agree that it is. Just not that it should take so bloody long!

monster · 02-05-2011, 07:54 AM

Way too long. And way too complex by the sounds of it. Ah well. Did you have to be fingerprinted?

casimendocina · 02-07-2011, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

Did you have to be fingerprinted?

I spent an hour or so at Immigration today and was electronically fingerprinted for the first time (all fingers and thumbs). I was pretty impressed with the technology. Does anyone know if they do electronic fingerprinting in most countries now?

Big Sarge · 02-07-2011, 06:50 AM

afis systems are becoming the norm in many developed nations. Besides scanning your prints, it can also compare them for identification within the database. We started using them in our jails in my area back in 1997

monster · 02-07-2011, 07:17 AM

Yes, they're use here for background checks and immigration.

Sundae · 02-07-2011, 08:38 AM

I certainly didn't have it here - neither did my brother, who works for HM Treasury.
Perhaps it's yet to reach us...

monster · 02-07-2011, 09:09 AM

Soooo.... how was your first day???????????

Nosy people need to know!

Sundae · 02-07-2011, 09:28 AM

It was good fun.
Super short!

So far my work pattern has been suggested as:
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.30
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.30
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.00
09.00-12.00 12.30-14.30 (Tiger cub sees the speech therapist this afternoon)
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.00

This may be rejigged - it's to make sure I'm available to cover half of the lunchbreak as he has little idea of physical danger.
At least his bright coat is easy to spot in the playground.

This week I will be working with the whole class, but making sure to work with and observe Tiger. I haven't been introduced specifically to him or to the class as his one-on-one support yet - just as a new Teaching Assistant. I'll go through things on Thursday with the therapist and start learning what support he needs and how best I can deliver that.
Today was a short session of numeracy (heavier and lighter), then Jack and the Beanstalk story and discussion (their current theme). After break we had PE, which with getting changed before and after took us nicely up to lunch. I forget how young they are, the lessons are SO different in structure and intensity and much of the day is spent "choosing" - where the children not working directly with the teacher can choose to write, read or play in the role play area.

Still, I know there will be plenty to focus on once I start working with him directly.

limey · 02-07-2011, 09:45 AM

Oh SG that sounds great. I know short days = short pay, but it's easing you back into a daily routine, which can be a bit of a strain if you're out of practice

Big Sarge · 02-07-2011, 10:28 AM

like i said, afis is used in developed nations. lol

DanaC · 02-07-2011, 10:32 AM

We have afis :p we just don't use it for CRB checks.

Despite the push from the last government to try and build a nationwide DNA and fingerprint database, and despite the fact that DNA is now taken if you are taken in for questioning, regardless of whether or not charges are then pressed: we still frown on fingerprinting people who are not suspects.

Big Sarge · 02-07-2011, 11:40 PM

You take DNA but don't collect fingerprints when running a back ground check. That's odd. We only take DNA if you are convicted of a sex crime or under court order as part of an investigation. Other states have passed laws mandating the collection of DNA in felony arrests

DanaC · 02-08-2011, 05:13 AM

No, sorry I explained that badly :p We don't take DNA or finger prints for a back ground check. yet. Give us fucking time and we'll all be DNA'd and finger printed before you know it.

sexobon · 02-08-2011, 06:05 AM

Yours isn't the only country with DNA recording concerns: Newborn DNA Sent to U.S. Military for Law Enforcement Database without Parent Consent

I had to learn to read fingerprints manually, what a pain, thank goodness those days are gone.

02-04-2011, 09:58 PM	#1
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	OMG SG! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12372097 what is this crap? they hold you up forever and then scrap the fucking thing? This is what you were waiting on forever, right? What a fiasco. OK I guess this should be in current affairs, but it isn't, so sue me. After you've got your "messing with monster" background checks...... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-05-2011, 04:51 AM	#2
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	No, it's okay - it was already being reviewed when I applied. The VBS was actually a lower level check than the CRB and lower still than the Enhanced CRB (which was the one which held me up for over 3 months). The VRB was always contentious, it created an enormous amount of paperwork for people who only saw children incidentally (once a month!), never in isolation and were never in a position to pose any threat. Also, the vast majority of abuse happens within the home or by people within the family's close inner circle (neighbour/ best friend/ partner of family member etc) and even these draconian measures would not prevent that. I am classified as having "intensive contact with the young" so my Enhanced CRB is still deemed necessary. And I do agree that it is. Just not that it should take so bloody long! __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

02-05-2011, 07:54 AM	#3
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Way too long. And way too complex by the sounds of it. Ah well. Did you have to be fingerprinted? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-07-2011, 06:50 AM	#5
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	afis systems are becoming the norm in many developed nations. Besides scanning your prints, it can also compare them for identification within the database. We started using them in our jails in my area back in 1997 __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

02-07-2011, 07:17 AM	#6
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Yes, they're use here for background checks and immigration. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-07-2011, 08:38 AM	#7
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I certainly didn't have it here - neither did my brother, who works for HM Treasury. Perhaps it's yet to reach us... __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

02-07-2011, 09:09 AM	#8
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Soooo.... how was your first day??????????? Nosy people need to know! __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-07-2011, 09:28 AM	#9
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	It was good fun. Super short! So far my work pattern has been suggested as: 09.00-12.00 12.30-13.30 09.00-12.00 12.30-13.30 09.00-12.00 12.30-13.00 09.00-12.00 12.30-14.30 (Tiger cub sees the speech therapist this afternoon) 09.00-12.00 12.30-13.00 This may be rejigged - it's to make sure I'm available to cover half of the lunchbreak as he has little idea of physical danger. At least his bright coat is easy to spot in the playground. This week I will be working with the whole class, but making sure to work with and observe Tiger. I haven't been introduced specifically to him or to the class as his one-on-one support yet - just as a new Teaching Assistant. I'll go through things on Thursday with the therapist and start learning what support he needs and how best I can deliver that. Today was a short session of numeracy (heavier and lighter), then Jack and the Beanstalk story and discussion (their current theme). After break we had PE, which with getting changed before and after took us nicely up to lunch. I forget how young they are, the lessons are SO different in structure and intensity and much of the day is spent "choosing" - where the children not working directly with the teacher can choose to write, read or play in the role play area. Still, I know there will be plenty to focus on once I start working with him directly.

02-07-2011, 09:45 AM	#10
limey Encroaching on your decrees Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An island within the south-west coast of Scotland Posts: 7,016	Oh SG that sounds great. I know short days = short pay, but it's easing you back into a daily routine, which can be a bit of a strain if you're out of practice __________________ Living it up on the edge ... of civilisation, within the southwest coast of

02-07-2011, 10:28 AM	#11
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	like i said, afis is used in developed nations. lol __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

02-07-2011, 11:40 PM	#13
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	You take DNA but don't collect fingerprints when running a back ground check. That's odd. We only take DNA if you are convicted of a sex crime or under court order as part of an investigation. Other states have passed laws mandating the collection of DNA in felony arrests __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

02-08-2011, 06:05 AM	#15
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Yours isn't the only country with DNA recording concerns: Newborn DNA Sent to U.S. Military for Law Enforcement Database without Parent Consent I had to learn to read fingerprints manually, what a pain, thank goodness those days are gone.

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