Republicans find proof of voter fraud in Florida

richlevy · 09-30-2012, 09:09 PM

Well, it appears that the Republican party has found incontrovertible proof of voter fraud in Florida. It was really easy for them to do so, since it turns out they paid for it.

From here

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The Republican Party promptly fired a voter registration contractor this week after the firm, Strategic Allied Consulting, turned in illegible, incorrect, and falsified voter registration forms to Florida election officials.

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Saying the party has “zero tolerance” for voter fraud, the GOP also filed complaints against the company with the Florida Secretary of State’s office. The company, run by long-time GOP operative Nathan Sproul, says a single employee was responsible for the forged signatures, though the problem, by Friday, had spread to 10 counties.

10 counties?!!! That's a lot more that one or two corrupt employees. Now I understand all of this voter ID ballyhoo. It's like an alcoholic calling the front desk and asking to remove the bottles from the honor bar. Knowing that they could not help themselves from committing voter fraud, Republicans nationwide are attempting to protect the election system from themselves.

The problem is that the contractor they are using is also active in other states in multiple roles. The guys standing in front of a voting site trying to turn away any visible Obama supporters will probably also be tied to them.

ZenGum · 10-01-2012, 03:44 AM

finding proof of voter fraud in Florida?

Isn't that like finding proof of water on Earth?

infinite monkey · 10-01-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

finding proof of voter fraud in Florida?

Isn't that like finding proof of water on Earth?

Two words: hanging chads.

Adak · 10-01-2012, 04:41 AM

Oh clearly, it's only the Republicans who have fraudulent voters.

Voter fraud is voter fraud, no matter which party is involved, and which politician is helped.

Both parties should be earnest in making reasonable steps to stop voter fraud, a reality. When your political system is based on the power of the vote, you need to be sure it's kept in good stead. Everyone should have faith that their elections were conducted honestly.

Adak · 10-01-2012, 08:22 AM

Your political choices may be VERY questionable, but your sense of humor is excellent.

I would very much like to have Obama remain in public office:

Obama for Dog Catcher in 2013!

richlevy · 10-01-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Adak

Obama for Dog Catcher in 2013!

Well, if Republicans continue to run dogs of candidates like Romney, Obama should have no trouble catching them.

infinite monkey · 10-01-2012, 08:23 AM

Wait...I might take the dog catcher job. I didn't realize there was an opening. Probably get ripped apart less by wild rabid dogs than I am by students.

Stormieweather · 10-01-2012, 09:12 AM

There is a difference between an ineligible individual voting out of ignorance or stupidity and a company hired by the REPUBLICAN party for $1.3m who is intentionally committing fraud by changing voters forms or throwing out registrations for the other party. BIG difference.

BrianR · 10-01-2012, 10:00 AM

Fraud is rife within the system. We all know this. I registered to vote by filling out a form, no ID required. I could easily have done so several times, but I'm honest. I'm told that Chicago is the poster child for voter fraud, where event he dead vote multiple times.

Of course, only a Republican could do that, NEVER a Democrat.

Stormieweather · 10-01-2012, 10:32 AM

Yeah...no.

It isn't "rife" within the system. It is extremely rare, actually.

Between 2000 and 2010, there were a whopping THIRTEEN confirmed and convicted cases of voter fraud. There were 47,000 cases of UFO sightings in the same time frame.

Truth about fraud

Voter fraud statistics

The lie that there is a voter fraud problem is believed by many and blabbed across the internet and via the media. But it's not true. It is, however, a lie of convenience when you want to pass laws to make it harder for certain classes/races/party members to vote.

On the other hand, a political party actually hiring a company that commits such fraud is a whole 'nother story.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-01-2012, 11:42 AM

You're talking about two different things.
Both parties hire companies, or sponsor groups, to try to sign up unregistered people in areas where they think the result would be more new voters in their favor than the opposition. It's a reasonable tactic and in general good for the country to increase participation. I don't think either party should be blamed for trying to do this.

The problem is the people hired to do this sometimes are paid by the head count, but at least get paid to produce... that invites cheating. Over zealous volunteers, have the same temptation. This is bad because it's a waste of the taxpayers money when the lists are faked.

The safety net is supposed to be the election officials that verify and validate the lists the hunter/gatherers turn in. This is the point where it becomes a big problem if the officials are sloppy, bias, or down right dishonest.

In order to blame the republicans in this case, even if they told the company to only sign up Republicans, (which doesn't seem the case), they are only guilty if they are colluding with the election officials to disqualify valid voters or qualify ineligible voters, (which doesn't seem to be the case either). Like the big brouhaha about Acorn, it's political mudslinging. The ones we have to keep an eye on is the election officials.

Everyone I meet, has some anecdotal evidence about dead voters voting and multiple voting for fun & profit, but there doesn't seem to be much hard evidence of that. Saying they did a check of the voter registration rolls and found X number of dead people, doesn't mean they voted. As a matter of fact, with turnouts south of 60% at best, and usually less than 40%, it's a pretty good bet they didn't.

Ibby · 10-01-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Between 2000 and 2010, there were a whopping THIRTEEN confirmed and convicted cases of voter fraud. There were 47,000 cases of UFO sightings in the same time frame.

tw · 10-01-2012, 03:33 PM

Recently, a wacko extremist advocated shark nets at the entrance of all rivers. Because sharks have gone up rivers and killed swimmers. Tank god for soundbytes. Otherwise we would only have hate, fear, and ignorance.

ZenGum · 10-01-2012, 09:06 PM

Did he look on the roof of the car?

classicman · 10-09-2012, 12:08 AM

Voter fraud

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It is extremely rare, actually.

Dunno if it is or not. How many people are arrested for taking office supplies from work? It happens every single day without many prosecutions.
jus sayin.

One way to curb it would be to have them identify themselves with say oh lets see, maybe a photo ID.

10-01-2012, 03:44 AM	#2
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	finding proof of voter fraud in Florida? Isn't that like finding proof of water on Earth? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-01-2012, 09:12 AM	#8
Stormieweather Wearing her bitch boots Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Floriduh Posts: 1,181	There is a difference between an ineligible individual voting out of ignorance or stupidity and a company hired by the REPUBLICAN party for $1.3m who is intentionally committing fraud by changing voters forms or throwing out registrations for the other party. BIG difference. __________________ "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

10-01-2012, 10:00 AM	#9
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Fraud is rife within the system. We all know this. I registered to vote by filling out a form, no ID required. I could easily have done so several times, but I'm honest. I'm told that Chicago is the poster child for voter fraud, where event he dead vote multiple times. Of course, only a Republican could do that, NEVER a Democrat. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

10-01-2012, 10:32 AM	#10
Stormieweather Wearing her bitch boots Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Floriduh Posts: 1,181	Yeah...no. It isn't "rife" within the system. It is extremely rare, actually. Between 2000 and 2010, there were a whopping THIRTEEN confirmed and convicted cases of voter fraud. There were 47,000 cases of UFO sightings in the same time frame. Truth about fraud Voter fraud statistics The lie that there is a voter fraud problem is believed by many and blabbed across the internet and via the media. But it's not true. It is, however, a lie of convenience when you want to pass laws to make it harder for certain classes/races/party members to vote. On the other hand, a political party actually hiring a company that commits such fraud is a whole 'nother story. __________________ "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

10-01-2012, 11:42 AM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You're talking about two different things. Both parties hire companies, or sponsor groups, to try to sign up unregistered people in areas where they think the result would be more new voters in their favor than the opposition. It's a reasonable tactic and in general good for the country to increase participation. I don't think either party should be blamed for trying to do this. The problem is the people hired to do this sometimes are paid by the head count, but at least get paid to produce... that invites cheating. Over zealous volunteers, have the same temptation. This is bad because it's a waste of the taxpayers money when the lists are faked. The safety net is supposed to be the election officials that verify and validate the lists the hunter/gatherers turn in. This is the point where it becomes a big problem if the officials are sloppy, bias, or down right dishonest. In order to blame the republicans in this case, even if they told the company to only sign up Republicans, (which doesn't seem the case), they are only guilty if they are colluding with the election officials to disqualify valid voters or qualify ineligible voters, (which doesn't seem to be the case either). Like the big brouhaha about Acorn, it's political mudslinging. The ones we have to keep an eye on is the election officials. Everyone I meet, has some anecdotal evidence about dead voters voting and multiple voting for fun & profit, but there doesn't seem to be much hard evidence of that. Saying they did a check of the voter registration rolls and found X number of dead people, doesn't mean they voted. As a matter of fact, with turnouts south of 60% at best, and usually less than 40%, it's a pretty good bet they didn't. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-01-2012, 04:41 AM	#4
Adak Lecturer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 796	Oh clearly, it's only the Republicans who have fraudulent voters. Voter fraud is voter fraud, no matter which party is involved, and which politician is helped. Both parties should be earnest in making reasonable steps to stop voter fraud, a reality. When your political system is based on the power of the vote, you need to be sure it's kept in good stead. Everyone should have faith that their elections were conducted honestly.

10-01-2012, 08:22 AM	#5
Adak Lecturer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 796	Your political choices may be VERY questionable, but your sense of humor is excellent. I would very much like to have Obama remain in public office: Obama for Dog Catcher in 2013!

10-01-2012, 08:23 AM	#7
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Wait...I might take the dog catcher job. I didn't realize there was an opening. Probably get ripped apart less by wild rabid dogs than I am by students.

10-01-2012, 03:33 PM	#13
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Recently, a wacko extremist advocated shark nets at the entrance of all rivers. Because sharks have gone up rivers and killed swimmers. Tank god for soundbytes. Otherwise we would only have hate, fear, and ignorance. Last edited by tw; 10-01-2012 at 04:30 PM.

10-01-2012, 09:06 PM	#14
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Did he look on the roof of the car? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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