Obama calls out call-out culture

Undertoad · 10-30-2019, 04:44 PM

Dispensing the wisdom

"This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're politically woke, and all that stuff -- you should get over that quickly. The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and, you know, share certain things with you. And I think that one danger I see among young people, particularly on college campuses... There is this sense sometimes of 'the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough.' Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb. Then, I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because, 'Man, you see how woke I was? I called you out.' I’m gonna get on TV. Watch my show. Watch 'Grown-ish.' (laughter) You know, that’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change. If all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far. That's easy to do."

Griff · 10-30-2019, 05:32 PM

Adult talking.

lisa · 10-30-2019, 06:29 PM

Awesome... Even people who do things wrong do things right sometimes and vice-versa. Wow! Whoda thunk it?

henry quirk · 10-30-2019, 08:42 PM

Gravdigr · 10-30-2019, 10:28 PM

Yeah, that's constructive.

Flint · 10-31-2019, 12:59 AM

I had a conversation with my non-binary partner and their lesbian girlfriend about SJW over-reach. My partner thought that the tampon packaging issue was an over-reach that sparked a lot of unhelpful conversation. This is a transmasc AFAB enbie saying this. Someone whom the issue is actually about thought it was over-reach.

Why do we over-reach? Because it's easy to be in an insular group where you assume everybody has a baseline understanding of an issue, and the people in that group are reaching for the next rung in the ladder, but the people NOT in that group might be one rung "down" on the ladder, and to them, that "next" step is completely un-intuitive. They likely don't have any idea what you're even talking about, and you're demanding that they parse nuance on the topic.

We all agreed that SJW over-reach can be a harmful thing (although I'm leery of the implications of making this case, and I'd never be the first to suggest it). We also all agreed that if we heard some cis white dude in a bar complain about SJW over-reach we'd be like, "ƒuck that dude!"

Luce · 01-20-2020, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I had a conversation with my non-binary partner and their lesbian girlfriend about SJW over-reach. My partner thought that the tampon packaging issue was an over-reach that sparked a lot of unhelpful conversation. This is a transmasc AFAB enbie saying this. Someone whom the issue is actually about thought it was over-reach.

Why do we over-reach? Because it's easy to be in an insular group where you assume everybody has a baseline understanding of an issue, and the people in that group are reaching for the next rung in the ladder, but the people NOT in that group might be one rung "down" on the ladder, and to them, that "next" step is completely un-intuitive. They likely don't have any idea what you're even talking about, and you're demanding that they parse nuance on the topic.

We all agreed that SJW over-reach can be a harmful thing (although I'm leery of the implications of making this case, and I'd never be the first to suggest it). We also all agreed that if we heard some cis white dude in a bar complain about SJW over-reach we'd be like, "ƒuck that dude!"

Boom. This, right there.

henry quirk · 10-31-2019, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Yeah, that's constructive.

Gotta salt the earth from time to time.

Undertoad · 10-31-2019, 08:53 AM

Wull wait a minute

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if we heard some cis white dude in a bar

If you did, you would have totally assumed an individual's preference, gender, and race in order to openly declare prejudice against status across those things

But it would have been okay because you are doing it with oppressed-class comrades and can be seen as an ally

Flint · 10-31-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

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But it would have been okay because you are doing it with oppressed-class comrades and can be seen as an ally

:::whoosh:::
We were laughing at our own implicit bias, in an imaginary scenario that we ourselves purposefully designed to call ourselves out.

But then I got very educated by your reverse double-whammy virtue signal, as one does.

Undertoad · 10-31-2019, 09:28 AM

But more importantly

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We also all agreed that if we heard some cis white dude in a bar complain about SJW over-reach we'd be like, "ƒuck that dude!"

This is a virtual tavern and I'm a cis white dude complaining about SJW overreach.

Come at me bro

Undertoad · 10-31-2019, 03:12 PM

awright

Flint · 10-31-2019, 04:19 PM

UwU

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-09-2019, 04:42 PM

So... what's an enbie?

Packaging overreach: the State of California just mandated that packaging on firearms sold shall now be printed with a phone number for a Suicide Crisis Hotline (capitalized to draw attention).

Propaganda much? I think propaganda much. Leaving no stone unturned to poormouth the one means of preventing the mass crime of genocide, along with poormouthing the wholly respectable idea of resisting criminals with sufficient violence, is not how you advance civilization no matter how you look at it.

Griff · 11-10-2019, 08:26 AM

Firearms are probably the most effective way to commit suicide. The success rate is like 85%. Suicide is often a fleeting urge so putting other options out there may make sense.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/180005...ide-comparison

We actually have more suicides than murders by firearms.

10-30-2019, 04:44 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Obama calls out call-out culture Dispensing the wisdom "This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're politically woke, and all that stuff -- you should get over that quickly. The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and, you know, share certain things with you. And I think that one danger I see among young people, particularly on college campuses... There is this sense sometimes of 'the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough.' Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb. Then, I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because, 'Man, you see how woke I was? I called you out.' I’m gonna get on TV. Watch my show. Watch 'Grown-ish.' (laughter) You know, that’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change. If all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far. That's easy to do."

10-30-2019, 05:32 PM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Adult talking. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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10-30-2019, 10:28 PM	#5
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10-31-2019, 12:59 AM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I had a conversation with my non-binary partner and their lesbian girlfriend about SJW over-reach. My partner thought that the tampon packaging issue was an over-reach that sparked a lot of unhelpful conversation. This is a transmasc AFAB enbie saying this. Someone whom the issue is actually about thought it was over-reach. Why do we over-reach? Because it's easy to be in an insular group where you assume everybody has a baseline understanding of an issue, and the people in that group are reaching for the next rung in the ladder, but the people NOT in that group might be one rung "down" on the ladder, and to them, that "next" step is completely un-intuitive. They likely don't have any idea what you're even talking about, and you're demanding that they parse nuance on the topic. We all agreed that SJW over-reach can be a harmful thing (although I'm leery of the implications of making this case, and I'd never be the first to suggest it). We also all agreed that if we heard some cis white dude in a bar complain about SJW over-reach we'd be like, "ƒuck that dude!" __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 10-31-2019 at 01:06 AM.

10-30-2019, 06:29 PM	#3
lisa Etherial Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CA Posts: 153	Awesome... Even people who do things wrong do things right sometimes and vice-versa. Wow! Whoda thunk it?

10-31-2019, 03:12 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	awright

10-31-2019, 04:19 PM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	UwU __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-09-2019, 04:42 PM	#14
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	So... what's an enbie? Packaging overreach: the State of California just mandated that packaging on firearms sold shall now be printed with a phone number for a Suicide Crisis Hotline (capitalized to draw attention). Propaganda much? I think propaganda much. Leaving no stone unturned to poormouth the one means of preventing the mass crime of genocide, along with poormouthing the wholly respectable idea of resisting criminals with sufficient violence, is not how you advance civilization no matter how you look at it. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-10-2019, 08:26 AM	#15
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Firearms are probably the most effective way to commit suicide. The success rate is like 85%. Suicide is often a fleeting urge so putting other options out there may make sense. https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/180005...ide-comparison We actually have more suicides than murders by firearms. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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