Energy Drink Discussion: Can you handle the Monster?

mwbEEf · 11-17-2003, 08:31 AM

So recently in the store downstairs they have been pushing energy drinks such as Red Bull and whatnot. One of these wonderful drinks is the Lo-Carb Monster Energy drink. This is 16oz of pure adrenaline-pumping, heart exploding power. It also works well as a follow up to the morning cup of coffee.

MONSTER!

The can contains the following warning:

"Consume Responsibly - Limit (3) cans per day. Not recommended for children, pregnant women, or people sensitive to caffeine."

Does anyone have an energy drink to top the Monster?

Undertoad · 11-17-2003, 08:44 AM

I urge everyone who takes any illegal drug to research, study, and know EXACTLY what the drug does to your body before even touching it.

Same goes for over-the-counter legal drugs.

Double goes for drugs sold as if they were mundane "drinks".

In this case you should investigate the effects on the body of taurine, l-carnitine, panax ginseng root extract, caffeine, sodium chloride, niacinamide, riboflavin, guarana seed extract, inositol, glucuronalactone, pyridoxine hydrochloride, and cyanobalmin.

I know sodium chloride and caffeine. Niacinamide and riboflavin are B-vitamins. I happen to remember that taurine is an amino acid and prevents blindness in cats.

Have a nice day in the library.

Undertoad · 11-17-2003, 08:48 AM

And by the way, this "low carb" drink contains a higher proportion of calories per ounce than Coke, Pepsi, or fruit juices. And if you drink it and sit at your desk job, it won't matter how fast your heart pounds, you aren't burning those calories off.

mwbEEf · 11-17-2003, 09:08 AM

No way!

20 calories for 16oz, Coke and Pepsi can't beat that! Unless we are talking diet coke and diet Pepsi, then yes, the Monster is defeated. Now the regular Monster...yeah, that sucker has so much freakin' sugar.

And I base the safety of this product on the following picture: Monster is safe

SteveDallas · 11-17-2003, 09:12 AM

Yeah, good that you included fruit juices. I was quite shocked when I found out that orange juice has as many calories as Pepsi. Not that I'm saying Orange Juice and Pepsi are equally worthwhile in terms of nutrition!!

Undertoad · 11-17-2003, 09:19 AM

Oh right, I was looking at the "regular" Monster when I noticed that...

But that means you have to add maltodextrin, potassium sorbate, sodium acid sulfate, sodium benzoate, sucralose (splenda®), acesulfame potassium, and pyridoxine to your research list.

MMMMmmmm, that's GREAT acesulfame potassium!

mwbEEf · 11-17-2003, 09:52 AM

hahahaha ... Splenda

it sounds like a freakin' hair-care product to give my fly-ass weave some extra glow - Soul Glow

Maybe its both, kind of like that old SNL skit - New Shimmer

Jane Curtain - It's a floor wax!
Dan Akroyd - It's a dessert topping you cow!

russotto · 11-17-2003, 02:42 PM

Potassium sorbate: preservative, kills bacteria. Generally recognized as safe.

sodium acid sulfate: Artificial flavor. Generally recognized as safe.

http://www.jones-hamilton.com/sectio...ducts/sas.html

sodium benzoate: another common preservative.

acesulfame potassium: artificial sweetener, in use since 1967 but only recently approved for soft drinks in the US.

pyridoxine is Vitamin B6

sucralose is another artificial sweetener, which some claim is toxic as it is a chlorinated organic compound.

l-carnitine is an amino acid (non essential) which is claimed (in rather dubious sources) to extend life and provide all sorts of wonderful benefits/

panax ginseng is a plant, so the extract contains god-knows-what.

guarana is another plant, apparently the extract contains mostly various xanthines (stimulants in the same family as caffeine). It also contains tannic acid, which is an astringent usually associated with tea.

inositol is necessary for the formation of cell formations, but it's not essential in the diet. In large doses it's reported (again in dubious sources) to be an anti-depressant.

glucuronalactone is a carbohydrate, a metabolite of glucose.

pyridoxine hydrochloride is good old B6 again.

cyanobalmin is B12.

So what you have here is a caffeinated (theobromated, theophyllated, etc), sweetened (artificially or otherwise, depending on the version) nutritional supplement, plus ginseng.

I'll stick to Coke, thank you.

tonksy · 11-17-2003, 02:49 PM

i don't like the kind of 'energy' you get from said drinks. i like real stuff. real sugar, real butter, real salt. i don't trust garden burgers or low fat mayo. not big on medication....tylenol and marijuana...maybe nyquil, these are okay. twinkies scare me...i had a friend leave one on his nightstand for a month while he was at the beach...still moist and golden upon his return....you really want that in your body?

ladysycamore · 11-17-2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by tonksy
i don't like the kind of 'energy' you get from said drinks. i like real stuff. real sugar, real butter, real salt. i don't trust garden burgers or low fat mayo. not big on medication....tylenol and marijuana...maybe nyquil, these are okay. twinkies scare me...i had a friend leave one on his nightstand for a month while he was at the beach...still moist and golden upon his return....you really want that in your body?

You'd be surprised what's in a lot of things that we eat/drink.It's downright scary and makes me want to make my own food!

Just hope that you never *have* to give up that real butter, sugar, etc. But, some of the "fake" stuff isn't THAT bad...some of it is an "acquired taste" for sure.

And a big old EW to that Twinkie on the nightstand!!

tonksy · 11-17-2003, 06:00 PM

i've heard reports that while the fake stuff may be better for your cholesterol or 'heart healthy' and that the fake sugar is better for diabetics but the fake stuff isn't really digested by your body and kida collects but i never really looked much into it.
i used to buy the tub of spread (and sometimes still do) but my pediatrician said that regular stick butter was better for the girls and that's enough for me. i have a butter dish and keep a stick in it on the counter instead of tub spread. *shrugs* makes for an outstanding grilled cheese sandwich.

ladysycamore · 11-17-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by tonksy
i've heard reports that while the fake stuff may be better for your cholesterol or 'heart healthy' and that the fake sugar is better for diabetics but the fake stuff isn't really digested by your body and kida collects but i never really looked much into it.

As a type 2 diabetic, I know all too well about the fake sugar (or Aspartame/NutraSweet). From what I've read, no that's not good for long term consumption:
Aspartame (Nutrasweet) Toxicity Information Center

Stevia is said to be a much safer alternative:
The Stevia Story

I guess when I said "fake stuff" I really meant more along the lines of "natural alternatives" that anything chemical, much like following a whole foods or Macrobiotic diet.

kerosene · 11-17-2003, 07:07 PM

I also exist on a anti-sugar diet (hypoglycemia.) I have found that some sugar free products out there have something called sorbital. Have you heard of this, Lady Sycamore? It seems that most things made with this are intented for diabetics, so I make the assumption it would probably work for me. But I dunno. I suppose I should google it.

Also, I have found that I generally *feel* so much better when I stay away from weird chemicals and stuff...I use to shop at the whole foods store. Unfortunately, convenience and price seem to outweigh that value for me a lot of the time. :/

ladysycamore · 11-17-2003, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by case
I also exist on a anti-sugar diet (hypoglycemia.) I have found that some sugar free products out there have something called sorbital. Have you heard of this, Lady Sycamore? It seems that most things made with this are intented for diabetics, so I make the assumption it would probably work for me. But I dunno. I suppose I should google it.

Yes I have heard of it...it's a type of sugar alcohol from what I understand.

Quote:

Also, I have found that I generally *feel* so much better when I stay away from weird chemicals and stuff...I use to shop at the whole foods store. Unfortunately, convenience and price seem to outweigh that value for me a lot of the time. :/

Sadly, that is true (about the costs). I suppose you could get some products at a "regular" market, but I personally wouldn't trust it (meaning if they don't specialize in it, then is it "for real"). Fortunately, I only go to the health food market for me, and I don't buy a whole heck of a lot anyway.

Razorfish · 11-17-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by tonksy
twinkies scare me...i had a friend leave one on his nightstand for a month while he was at the beach...still moist and golden upon his return....you really want that in your body?

Yea twinkies and other little debbie/hostess snacks contain some pretty scary stuff (even though their so good!). The cream filling in twinkies is esentially curdled milk, sugar, and loads of preservatives.

On another note, does anyone know of a good site with unbiased research about herbal supplements and their true merits? A lot of sites give you definitions and uses but they also sell these same supplements. I doubt they would downplay a product their selling. If anyone can point me in a good direction it would be greatly appreciated.

11-17-2003, 08:31 AM	#1
mwbEEf Not a urine monkey Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Stankonia, GA Posts: 89	Energy Drink Discussion: Can you handle the Monster? So recently in the store downstairs they have been pushing energy drinks such as Red Bull and whatnot. One of these wonderful drinks is the Lo-Carb Monster Energy drink. This is 16oz of pure adrenaline-pumping, heart exploding power. It also works well as a follow up to the morning cup of coffee. MONSTER! The can contains the following warning: "Consume Responsibly - Limit (3) cans per day. Not recommended for children, pregnant women, or people sensitive to caffeine." Does anyone have an energy drink to top the Monster? __________________ Anticipation is a killer

11-17-2003, 09:08 AM	#4
mwbEEf Not a urine monkey Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Stankonia, GA Posts: 89	No way! 20 calories for 16oz, Coke and Pepsi can't beat that! Unless we are talking diet coke and diet Pepsi, then yes, the Monster is defeated. Now the regular Monster...yeah, that sucker has so much freakin' sugar. And I base the safety of this product on the following picture: Monster is safe __________________ Anticipation is a killer

11-17-2003, 09:52 AM	#7
mwbEEf Not a urine monkey Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Stankonia, GA Posts: 89	hahahaha ... Splenda it sounds like a freakin' hair-care product to give my fly-ass weave some extra glow - Soul Glow Maybe its both, kind of like that old SNL skit - New Shimmer Jane Curtain - It's a floor wax! Dan Akroyd - It's a dessert topping you cow! __________________ Anticipation is a killer

11-17-2003, 02:49 PM	#9
tonksy 100:10100 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 96	i don't like the kind of 'energy' you get from said drinks. i like real stuff. real sugar, real butter, real salt. i don't trust garden burgers or low fat mayo. not big on medication....tylenol and marijuana...maybe nyquil, these are okay. twinkies scare me...i had a friend leave one on his nightstand for a month while he was at the beach...still moist and golden upon his return....you really want that in your body? __________________ ...with all of our running and all of our cunning, if we couldn't laugh we would all go insane...

11-17-2003, 06:00 PM	#11
tonksy 100:10100 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 96	i've heard reports that while the fake stuff may be better for your cholesterol or 'heart healthy' and that the fake sugar is better for diabetics but the fake stuff isn't really digested by your body and kida collects but i never really looked much into it. i used to buy the tub of spread (and sometimes still do) but my pediatrician said that regular stick butter was better for the girls and that's enough for me. i have a butter dish and keep a stick in it on the counter instead of tub spread. shrugs makes for an outstanding grilled cheese sandwich. __________________ ...with all of our running and all of our cunning, if we couldn't laugh we would all go insane...

11-17-2003, 08:44 AM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I urge everyone who takes any illegal drug to research, study, and know EXACTLY what the drug does to your body before even touching it. Same goes for over-the-counter legal drugs. Double goes for drugs sold as if they were mundane "drinks". In this case you should investigate the effects on the body of taurine, l-carnitine, panax ginseng root extract, caffeine, sodium chloride, niacinamide, riboflavin, guarana seed extract, inositol, glucuronalactone, pyridoxine hydrochloride, and cyanobalmin. I know sodium chloride and caffeine. Niacinamide and riboflavin are B-vitamins. I happen to remember that taurine is an amino acid and prevents blindness in cats. Have a nice day in the library.

11-17-2003, 08:48 AM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	And by the way, this "low carb" drink contains a higher proportion of calories per ounce than Coke, Pepsi, or fruit juices. And if you drink it and sit at your desk job, it won't matter how fast your heart pounds, you aren't burning those calories off.

11-17-2003, 09:12 AM	#5
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Yeah, good that you included fruit juices. I was quite shocked when I found out that orange juice has as many calories as Pepsi. Not that I'm saying Orange Juice and Pepsi are equally worthwhile in terms of nutrition!!

11-17-2003, 09:19 AM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Oh right, I was looking at the "regular" Monster when I noticed that... But that means you have to add maltodextrin, potassium sorbate, sodium acid sulfate, sodium benzoate, sucralose (splenda®), acesulfame potassium, and pyridoxine to your research list. MMMMmmmm, that's GREAT acesulfame potassium!

11-17-2003, 02:42 PM	#8
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Potassium sorbate: preservative, kills bacteria. Generally recognized as safe. sodium acid sulfate: Artificial flavor. Generally recognized as safe. http://www.jones-hamilton.com/sectio...ducts/sas.html sodium benzoate: another common preservative. acesulfame potassium: artificial sweetener, in use since 1967 but only recently approved for soft drinks in the US. pyridoxine is Vitamin B6 sucralose is another artificial sweetener, which some claim is toxic as it is a chlorinated organic compound. l-carnitine is an amino acid (non essential) which is claimed (in rather dubious sources) to extend life and provide all sorts of wonderful benefits/ panax ginseng is a plant, so the extract contains god-knows-what. guarana is another plant, apparently the extract contains mostly various xanthines (stimulants in the same family as caffeine). It also contains tannic acid, which is an astringent usually associated with tea. inositol is necessary for the formation of cell formations, but it's not essential in the diet. In large doses it's reported (again in dubious sources) to be an anti-depressant. glucuronalactone is a carbohydrate, a metabolite of glucose. pyridoxine hydrochloride is good old B6 again. cyanobalmin is B12. So what you have here is a caffeinated (theobromated, theophyllated, etc), sweetened (artificially or otherwise, depending on the version) nutritional supplement, plus ginseng. I'll stick to Coke, thank you.

11-17-2003, 07:07 PM	#13
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	I also exist on a anti-sugar diet (hypoglycemia.) I have found that some sugar free products out there have something called sorbital. Have you heard of this, Lady Sycamore? It seems that most things made with this are intented for diabetics, so I make the assumption it would probably work for me. But I dunno. I suppose I should google it. Also, I have found that I generally feel so much better when I stay away from weird chemicals and stuff...I use to shop at the whole foods store. Unfortunately, convenience and price seem to outweigh that value for me a lot of the time. :/

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