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1/19/2004: Swedish art provokes Israeli ambassador
![]() The Israel's ambassador to Sweden was kicked out of Stockholm's Museum of National Antiquities after he attacked the above artwork. It consists of blood-colored water, a sailboat called "Snow White" and an image of a woman suicide bomber who killed 21 people last October. Of all the takes on this event, I like Agenda Bender's the best. Quote:
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Either that, or it's just plain bad art.
Had I been there, I could have improved on the art a bit with the aid of a Zippo. |
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A cricifix in a glass of HIV-laced urine - now THAT's art. Perhaps the Ambassador should have taken a dump on the boat then put the woman's picture upside down into the feces. Then, I suppose, it would rise to the level of art.
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Like most "ART" of this sort, everyone gets their own message. The artist got one, the Ambassador another and I don't get it at all. However, the Ambassador was completely out of line.
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Re: 1/19/2004: Swedish art provokes Israeli ambassador
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But, just because I get it doesn't mean I really like it. Call it one of my slivers of conservatism, but I'm just of the mind that art shouldn't have high and low tide.
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The ambassador's bit of performance art is better than the original. And if he pulled the plugs before dumping the spotlight into the water, it's hardly life-threatening.
BTW, anyone else think the picture resembles Michael Jackson? |
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well gee, that's not what I saw...
actually, this struck me as one of the more comprehensible pieces of so-called 'art' I've ever seen; it seems to actually have a message. But the message I got (I don't know if it's the messages the artists intended) was completely different from the ambassador's: I thought it was supposed to depict this killer thinking she was pure and holy and commendable for killing twenty people (hence the white), yet she's stained with, and swimming in, blood.
That's what I got anyway. |
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but why the boat, and not a barge, or a raft, or door, or a bathtub, or .. whatever... ? |
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One person floating in a sea of blood is basicly what I get. It would have been better to have countless faces in a sea of blood, to represent the entire middle-east. But that's just my take.
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I agree with Bruce...if the ambassador didn't like the artwork, he could have simply voiced his dissent peacefully, rather than being destructive. From the BBC: Earlier, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon praised the ambassador's actions, saying that anti-Semitism was such a problem "it would have been forbidden not to have acted on the spot". So, is anything considered anti-Israeli also considered anti-Semitic these days? And did Mr. Mazel even bother talking to the artists about the exhibit before losing it? From Haaretz: The envoy told Haaretz that his protest was not spontaneous; he had planned the act after learning about the exhibit in the local press. It seems to me that Mr. Mazel is a fucking idiot. Whether the Feilers were trying to be provocative is open to interpretation, as is the artwork itself. How would Mazel like it if someone started attacking the Wailing Wall? |
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At a first glance, yes it really did. After looking at it, however, I noticed the nose is much too wide. |
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I understand that anti-Semitism has been growing recently in Europe (particularly in France). And I understand the problems that Jews (and Israelis) have had throughout history. But it seems like anything that criticizes Judaism/Jews/Israel/Israelis is almost automatically labeled "anti-Semitism." And I find that disturbing...it's as if Israel and/or Judaism are beyond reproach. If this sort of attitude persists, there will never be peace in the Middle East.
(Not that the Israelis are the only ones with a shitty attitude...) EDIT: I didn't like my original second paragraph, so I changed it. Last edited by elSicomoro; 01-19-2004 at 08:21 PM. |
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I wonder if he also finds dislike of Nazism harmful discrimination against white aryans.
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OK, I've had all day to think about the exhibit and here's what I see:
I see the "pure" (white) Palestinian woman sailing around in a "pure" (white) boat on a sea of blood. The blood is obviously Jewish blood. The boat would seem to be the plight or mission of the Palestinians which intercedes between the "pure" Palestinian and the (not pure) blood of her Jewish victims. The boat, the "purity of her mission) elevates her above her Jewish victims. This is not my sentiment - this is what I think the artist is attempting to convey. I think if the ownership of the blood and the pic are appropriately modified (e.g., Osama on the boat and the blood of 9/11 victims), just about anyone could be incited to trash it. I dunno - maybe that makes it less of art and more of ... well, trash.
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