Found an H-bomb? Keep it.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-05-2004, 08:54 PM

Sept. 16, 2004 — During the Cold War, the United States lost 11 nuclear bombs in accidents. But one of the bombs may have finally been located, thanks to the work of a retired officer.

The lost hydrogen bomb has been missing since 1958 when a B-47 bomber collided with another plane. The pilot of the other plane bailed out safely before his aircraft crashed. The crew of the B-47 tried landing its slightly damaged plane three times at nearby Hunter Air Force Base in Georgia, but finally jettisoned the bomb into the Atlantic Ocean to avoid the risk of a detonation upon landing.

The bomb was released 7,000 feet into the ocean off the coast of Savannah, Ga. After searching for nine weeks to no avail, the Air Force declared the 7,600-pound bomb "irretrievably lost." But in 1998, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel, Derek Duke, made it his mission to find it.

After stumbling across some old news stories about the bomb, Duke and his partner began collecting information about the incident. He spoke with residents who lived in the area and to members of the team that had searched for the bomb. He also looked up the pilot of the B-47 to try to get more details on where the bomb may have been dropped.

They narrowed their search to the area around Wassaw Sound, which connects the mouth of the Wilmington River to the Atlantic Ocean. Then they began trolling the area in a boat and dragging a Geiger counter behind them. This July, they believe they finally found what they've been looking for.
Duke and his partner zeroed in on a spot off of Tybee Island where radiation readings were suspiciously high. The location was only a mile offshore and in only 12 feet of water. Duke said the radiation levels here were from seven to 10 times higher than normal. Incidentally, he said, the location was "right where the pilot said they dropped it."

"Amazingly, they never looked at this spot," he said Wednesday on ABC News' Good Morning America.

If the bomb were armed with a radiation trigger, the 12-foot-long thermonuclear device could explode with a power 100 times greater than the bomb that exploded in Hiroshima, Japan. A 2001 Air Force report further found the bomb, if detonated, could poison the drinking water supply for the entire southeast coast of the United States.

But the Air Force said the bomb was not armed and concluded that it presents no threat.
Duke also doubts the bomb would ever detonate — at least naturally. But he said there has been conflicting testimony about whether or not the bomb is equipped with a radiation trigger.

"I think the possibility it could ever go off is extremely remote," said Duke. "But there's a lot of controversy about the Air Force's statement. They have sworn testimony in Congress and in secret session that it was just the opposite."

Even though it appears the bomb may have been located, it's not clear what should be done. Removing a bomb that has been submerged in a muddy ocean bottom for 46 years presents some challenges.
"You certainly don't want to detonate it," said Duke. "But you try to protect it as you investigate it. We could even build a case around it and pump the water out and make it a dry land recovery."

OK, so you found an H-bomb in your yard. Keep it, we don't want it anymore. By the way,.......don't drop it. WTF!

zippyt · 10-05-2004, 11:30 PM

I know a 7,600 lb paper weight !!!!!

10-05-2004, 11:39 PM

Maybe they could turn it into a tourist attraction - kind of like a "hot" springs, only in the ocean!

wolf · 10-06-2004, 12:40 PM

The real question is, would the usual finders-keepers rules of salvage apply?

Troubleshooter · 10-06-2004, 02:11 PM

And what is the current value of weapons grade RAM?

xoxoxoBruce · 10-06-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

The real question is, would the usual finders-keepers rules of salvage apply?

Don't know,....but might get a bang out of trying.

russotto · 10-06-2004, 08:30 PM

If it's a thermonuclear device, you'll only get a fizzle yield out of it. By now the neutron initiator is way below spec, and you won't get a good enough boom to set off the fusion part of the device.

Roosta · 10-06-2004, 06:25 PM

Won't this thing rust away and pollute the area anyway?

tw · 10-07-2004, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Sept. 16, 2004 — During the Cold War, the United States lost 11 nuclear bombs in accidents.

I only know of the (was it two or four) lost in the Atlantic off of Spain (and recovered) and the one bomb lost in SC. Where were others lost?

Back then, the US always kept loaded bombers in each of three loops. Today, it is normal for something like a few hundred thousand people to be in the air at any one time - and not have crashes. But back then, reliable planes were difficult to maintain - flying tens of hours carrying nuclear bombs.

After all this time, I would expected bomb casings to have partially disintegrated making radioactive material recovery difficult.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-07-2004, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

I only know of the (was it two or four) lost in the Atlantic off of Spain (and recovered) and the one bomb lost in SC. Where were others lost?

Brookings #44

tw · 10-09-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Brookings #44

Well that suggests that 10 other bombs are missing besides those recovered from the Atlantic. But it still does not answer where. There is a video about 10 bomber crews who suffered mission problems. Did not see it and don't know where to get it. However, the important question remains "where" were these other 10 lost?

xoxoxoBruce · 10-09-2004, 11:01 PM

Yes it does, but I don't have them, I swear. Nor do I know where they are.
I started to research it but it looked like it was going to be a major project that I didn't want to get into, because I'm a lazy bastard.

10-05-2004, 08:54 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Found an H-bomb? Keep it. Sept. 16, 2004 — During the Cold War, the United States lost 11 nuclear bombs in accidents. But one of the bombs may have finally been located, thanks to the work of a retired officer. The lost hydrogen bomb has been missing since 1958 when a B-47 bomber collided with another plane. The pilot of the other plane bailed out safely before his aircraft crashed. The crew of the B-47 tried landing its slightly damaged plane three times at nearby Hunter Air Force Base in Georgia, but finally jettisoned the bomb into the Atlantic Ocean to avoid the risk of a detonation upon landing. The bomb was released 7,000 feet into the ocean off the coast of Savannah, Ga. After searching for nine weeks to no avail, the Air Force declared the 7,600-pound bomb "irretrievably lost." But in 1998, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel, Derek Duke, made it his mission to find it. After stumbling across some old news stories about the bomb, Duke and his partner began collecting information about the incident. He spoke with residents who lived in the area and to members of the team that had searched for the bomb. He also looked up the pilot of the B-47 to try to get more details on where the bomb may have been dropped. They narrowed their search to the area around Wassaw Sound, which connects the mouth of the Wilmington River to the Atlantic Ocean. Then they began trolling the area in a boat and dragging a Geiger counter behind them. This July, they believe they finally found what they've been looking for. Duke and his partner zeroed in on a spot off of Tybee Island where radiation readings were suspiciously high. The location was only a mile offshore and in only 12 feet of water. Duke said the radiation levels here were from seven to 10 times higher than normal. Incidentally, he said, the location was "right where the pilot said they dropped it." "Amazingly, they never looked at this spot," he said Wednesday on ABC News' Good Morning America. If the bomb were armed with a radiation trigger, the 12-foot-long thermonuclear device could explode with a power 100 times greater than the bomb that exploded in Hiroshima, Japan. A 2001 Air Force report further found the bomb, if detonated, could poison the drinking water supply for the entire southeast coast of the United States. But the Air Force said the bomb was not armed and concluded that it presents no threat. Duke also doubts the bomb would ever detonate — at least naturally. But he said there has been conflicting testimony about whether or not the bomb is equipped with a radiation trigger. "I think the possibility it could ever go off is extremely remote," said Duke. "But there's a lot of controversy about the Air Force's statement. They have sworn testimony in Congress and in secret session that it was just the opposite." Even though it appears the bomb may have been located, it's not clear what should be done. Removing a bomb that has been submerged in a muddy ocean bottom for 46 years presents some challenges. "You certainly don't want to detonate it," said Duke. "But you try to protect it as you investigate it. We could even build a case around it and pump the water out and make it a dry land recovery." OK, so you found an H-bomb in your yard. Keep it, we don't want it anymore. By the way,.......don't drop it. WTF! __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-05-2004, 11:30 PM	#2
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	I know a 7,600 lb paper weight !!!!! __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

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Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	And what is the current value of weapons grade RAM? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

10-06-2004, 06:25 PM	#8
Roosta Nutter. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England Posts: 221	Won't this thing rust away and pollute the area anyway? __________________ Back from the brink...

10-09-2004, 11:01 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yes it does, but I don't have them, I swear. Nor do I know where they are. I started to research it but it looked like it was going to be a major project that I didn't want to get into, because I'm a lazy bastard. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-05-2004, 11:39 PM	#3
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe they could turn it into a tourist attraction - kind of like a "hot" springs, only in the ocean!

10-06-2004, 12:40 PM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The real question is, would the usual finders-keepers rules of salvage apply? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-06-2004, 08:30 PM	#7
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	If it's a thermonuclear device, you'll only get a fizzle yield out of it. By now the neutron initiator is way below spec, and you won't get a good enough boom to set off the fusion part of the device.

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