Hip-hop

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse · 08-12-2005, 03:34 PM

I just don't get it. I'm very open-minded music-wise, and I think I'm pretty open-minded culturally, too, but I just can't understand hip-hop culture. To me, it seems to be based around tough-guy bravado, an inclination to 'dis' just about everyone, repetetive beats with little creativity, a lack of skill (granted, there are some great hip-hop groups that I like a lot - De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest are the only two that come to mind), and misogynistic proclivities. Oh, yeah, and a lot of gratuitous swearing and violence. What's so cool about that? Now I see it in J.C.Penny commercials! There were these kids, couldn't have been more than ten years old, striking that arms-crossed-in-defiance pose and flinging their hands at the camera in that "I'm gonna bitch-slap you, foo'" kind of way! I'm sure teachers just love this kind of show of arrogance and mean attitude.

What the hell is so attractive about this shit?!

Am I too old to understand? I didn't understand it when I was younger. Am I just too Wonder Bread to get it?!

Trilby · 08-12-2005, 03:57 PM

Once again--I turn to my son.

He hates hip-hop. Quote: "It sounds horrible. They're all poseurs. They make kids my age think they're living the hard life when they are spoiled brats. They try to make kids think that they're all gangsta's when they're all living with their moms!"

For myself--I cannot comment. I ignore hip-hop, rap and most misogynist-based utterings, esp. if they are from young, white males.

wolf · 08-13-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

He hates hip-hop. Quote: "It sounds horrible. They're all poseurs. They make kids my age think they're living the hard life when they are spoiled brats. They try to make kids think that they're all gangsta's when they're all living with their moms!"

You have a very unusual and perceptive child.

Good job there, mom.

perth · 08-12-2005, 04:01 PM

The vast majority of ANY genre is crap, and what the genre is based around has not a thing to do with it.

I used to be into grunge and alternative music. Then I realised that most of it sucks. Now I'm into "music that doesn't suck" (genre be damned), and I think I'm better for it. I'll listen to any genre, but I won't abide crap.

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse · 08-12-2005, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perth

The vast majority of ANY genre is crap, and what the genre is based around has not a thing to do with it.

I used to be into grunge and alternative music. Then I realised that most of it sucks. Now I'm into "music that doesn't suck" (genre be damned), and I think I'm better for it. I'll listen to any genre, but I won't abide crap.

It seems to go beyond the music, though, doesn't it? I mean, it's pervasive! Everywhere you turn, it's hip-hop. McDonald's commercials, movies, etc.

So.... why is it everywhere? Is there some value in it that I'm missing?!

elSicomoro · 08-12-2005, 04:22 PM

I agree with Perth. I don't like a lot of hip-hop, but there are some great artists out there...among them:

--The two groups you already mentioned
--Mos Def
--Talib Kweli
--Black Star (the group consists of the above 2)
--OutKast
--Beastie Boys
--Del the Funky Homosapien (in whatever project he's in)
--Common
--Jurassic5

elSicomoro · 08-12-2005, 04:25 PM

Because the kids in the suburbs dig it...just like they dug grunge in 1992. And where the suburban kids go, the advertisers follow.

Trilby · 08-12-2005, 04:25 PM

Black people are starting to be fiscally attractive.

period.

Yo.

elSicomoro · 08-12-2005, 04:28 PM

Yo, peep this, nigga!

I think that's definitely part of the equation, but there are way more white folks than black folks in this country. Perhaps I should have phrased my previous post as follows:

"Primarily because the white kids in the suburbs dig it..."

Griff · 08-12-2005, 05:49 PM

Why would we have a hip hop thread under entertainment?

Trilby · 08-13-2005, 06:41 AM

Thanks! He is a pretty good one. I'm lucky.

Clodfobble · 08-13-2005, 10:28 AM

My question is, did he pronounce poseurs as "POSE-ers" or "po-ZHURES?"

Elspode · 08-13-2005, 12:57 PM

I just want to know why it is all attitude, all offense, all "fuck you, fuck them, fuck the bitches, fuck the cops, I'm gonna take whatever I want so you better stay out of my way"...and why this is found to be even remotely socially acceptable.

If I'm going to have to tolerate this gangsta rap shit as some sort of valid sociological expression, then society is going to have to tolerate me walking around with a 9MM on my hip as a valid sociological protective response.

Gag. Puke.

wolf · 08-13-2005, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

If I'm going to have to tolerate this gangsta rap shit as some sort of valid sociological expression, then society is going to have to tolerate me walking around with a 9MM on my hip as a valid sociological protective response.

It is.

And it's even legal in your jurisdiction.

I'm not as sure about your comment regarding gangsta rap, though.

elSicomoro · 08-13-2005, 03:22 PM

Keep in mind that a) Rock can have lyrics that are just as fucked up as gangsta rap and b) Not all hip-hop is gangsta rap.

08-12-2005, 03:34 PM	#1
Mr.Anon.E.Mouse Hiding behind a Belgian Chimay Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 92	Hip-hop I just don't get it. I'm very open-minded music-wise, and I think I'm pretty open-minded culturally, too, but I just can't understand hip-hop culture. To me, it seems to be based around tough-guy bravado, an inclination to 'dis' just about everyone, repetetive beats with little creativity, a lack of skill (granted, there are some great hip-hop groups that I like a lot - De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest are the only two that come to mind), and misogynistic proclivities. Oh, yeah, and a lot of gratuitous swearing and violence. What's so cool about that? Now I see it in J.C.Penny commercials! There were these kids, couldn't have been more than ten years old, striking that arms-crossed-in-defiance pose and flinging their hands at the camera in that "I'm gonna bitch-slap you, foo'" kind of way! I'm sure teachers just love this kind of show of arrogance and mean attitude. What the hell is so attractive about this shit?! Am I too old to understand? I didn't understand it when I was younger. Am I just too Wonder Bread to get it?! __________________ "Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission." -Robert Anton Wilson

08-12-2005, 03:57 PM	#2
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Once again--I turn to my son. He hates hip-hop. Quote: "It sounds horrible. They're all poseurs. They make kids my age think they're living the hard life when they are spoiled brats. They try to make kids think that they're all gangsta's when they're all living with their moms!" For myself--I cannot comment. I ignore hip-hop, rap and most misogynist-based utterings, esp. if they are from young, white males. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-12-2005, 04:25 PM	#8
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Black people are starting to be fiscally attractive. period. Yo. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-12-2005, 05:49 PM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Why would we have a hip hop thread under entertainment? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-13-2005, 06:41 AM	#11
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Thanks! He is a pretty good one. I'm lucky. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-12-2005, 04:01 PM	#4
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	The vast majority of ANY genre is crap, and what the genre is based around has not a thing to do with it. I used to be into grunge and alternative music. Then I realised that most of it sucks. Now I'm into "music that doesn't suck" (genre be damned), and I think I'm better for it. I'll listen to any genre, but I won't abide crap.

08-12-2005, 04:22 PM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I agree with Perth. I don't like a lot of hip-hop, but there are some great artists out there...among them: --The two groups you already mentioned --Mos Def --Talib Kweli --Black Star (the group consists of the above 2) --OutKast --Beastie Boys --Del the Funky Homosapien (in whatever project he's in) --Common --Jurassic5

08-12-2005, 04:28 PM	#9
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Yo, peep this, nigga! I think that's definitely part of the equation, but there are way more white folks than black folks in this country. Perhaps I should have phrased my previous post as follows: "Primarily because the white kids in the suburbs dig it..."

08-13-2005, 10:28 AM	#12
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	My question is, did he pronounce poseurs as "POSE-ers" or "po-ZHURES?"

08-13-2005, 12:57 PM	#13
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I just want to know why it is all attitude, all offense, all "fuck you, fuck them, fuck the bitches, fuck the cops, I'm gonna take whatever I want so you better stay out of my way"...and why this is found to be even remotely socially acceptable. If I'm going to have to tolerate this gangsta rap shit as some sort of valid sociological expression, then society is going to have to tolerate me walking around with a 9MM on my hip as a valid sociological protective response. Gag. Puke. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-13-2005, 03:22 PM	#15
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Keep in mind that a) Rock can have lyrics that are just as fucked up as gangsta rap and b) Not all hip-hop is gangsta rap.

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