RIP Ronald Reagan - Page 16

Radar · 08-11-2005, 11:58 PM

He wasn't libertarian in the slightest. He tripled the size of government, he lied under oath about trading arms for hostages, he spent at least 5 generations of Americans into debt from the cradle to the grave. He didn't think like a libertarian. Like most Republicans, he just talked like one, but grew government at levels even Democrats would be embarassed by. He spent more than a TRILLION DOLLARS on SDI which gave us absolutely NOTHING. Not a single prototype. It gave us nothing. He also took credit for the the fall of the Soviet Union which he had NOTHING to do with. Communism was crumbling on its own as it always does.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-12-2005, 12:02 AM

Radar, close your mouth and open your eyes, dammit. Study the man's philosophies.

Better for libertarianism if collectivist totalitarianism doesn't merely fall, but is pushed.

Happy Monkey · 08-12-2005, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Radar, close your mouth and open your eyes, dammit. Study the man's philosophies.

You misspelled empty rhetoric.

Clodfobble · 08-12-2005, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

I did take that pledge and I was serious about it. I won't initiate force, but I'll use plenty of it on those who do initiate it against me.

He wasn't talking about you, Radar. Urbane Guerrilla claims to be a member of your party as well, strange as that may seem.

Troubleshooter · 08-12-2005, 10:34 AM

Or not so strange. As the case may be...

wolf · 08-12-2005, 10:49 AM

What I'm finding interesting is that right here in our own little Cellar, we have the full rainbow of the libertarian party in microcosm.

Troubleshooter · 08-12-2005, 10:57 AM

Careful using the rainbow as a descriptor...

wolf · 08-12-2005, 11:01 AM

White is all colors.

Trilby · 08-12-2005, 11:13 AM

What is so bad about being a Libertarian? I thought Radar was just an extremely bad example of one. Is the whole damn party like him?

wolf · 08-12-2005, 11:15 AM

There's noting bad about being a libertarian, per se ... but it has a lot more shades of meaning than just radar's version, is what I'm getting at.

Trilby · 08-12-2005, 11:19 AM

So, he is a bad example of one! I knew it!

He's rude, too. Just FYI.

BigV · 08-12-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Radar, close your mouth and open your eyes, dammit. Study the man's philosophies.

You misspelled empty rhetoric.

You crack me up, man.

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse · 08-12-2005, 04:38 PM

"My Memories of Ronald Reagan's Passing" by Anon E. Mouse

Ronald Wilson Reagan passed away with 5 or 6 hours of my mom. She was friends with Reagan and spent a lot of good times out at the ranch. I liked Reagan for his compassion and for being kind to my mom, so my attachment to him was purely visceral. Losing both of them at about the same time sucked dick.

Anyhow, I drove back here to the Bay Area from Fairburn, GA, alone, giving myself a lot of time to be alone and all that stuff, low and slow over Route 66. On the second day of driving, I turned on the radio to listen to the national memorial and had to pull the damned car over because I felt like all the nice things folks said about reagan applied to my mom, too, and it ws just too much to bear, so there I was, a puddle of tears and snot, sitting on the side of a highway out in the middle of Wet Dog, OK.

As luck would have it, I went through my mom's photos and what do you think ws right there on top? A picture of her and our former President! Whoa, huh?

So there you go.

Radar · 08-12-2005, 04:56 PM

Actually, I'm a good libertarian. And there aren't several types of libertarians. There are some who claim to be libertarians, but who really aren't. This is the biggest problem in our party. You get a bunch of morons trying to change the party into the Republitarian party or the Demotarian Party. You get people who say they don't support the initiation of force, yet support starting a completely unprovoked war like that in Iraq. You get people saying they don't support government force to tell us what to do with our own body...unless it's having an abortion. Then it's ok to initiate force against them.

There are no shades of gray. You're a libertarian or you're not. You either support the initiation of force for political gain or social engineering, or you don't. Claiming to be a libertarian who supports the war in Iraq is no different than saying, "I am a Christian because I believe in every part of the bible other than the parts about Jesus". By definition if you don't believe in Jesus, you're not a Christian, even if you believe in every other part of the bible.

The same is true of libertarianism. You can support smaller government. You can support the elimination of income taxes. You can support legalizing drugs. You can support unrestricted gun ownership. You can believe in nearly every part of libertarianism other than the NAP (Non-Aggression Principle), and you're not a libertarian. You can disagree with the Libertarian Party in all areas but as long as you believe in the NAP, you're still a libertarian.

For the record, I'm a fantastic example of a Libertarian and an intelligent, reasonable, open-minded, well-educated, well-rounded person in general. Not to mention I've got a wonderful sense of humor and a warm personality.

Oh, and did I mention humble?

Your Friend in Liberty,

Paul T. Ireland
Executive Committee
Libertarian Party of California

Trilby · 08-12-2005, 05:28 PM

Well. There ya go. That is what's wrong with Libertarians.

08-11-2005, 11:58 PM	#226
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	He wasn't libertarian in the slightest. He tripled the size of government, he lied under oath about trading arms for hostages, he spent at least 5 generations of Americans into debt from the cradle to the grave. He didn't think like a libertarian. Like most Republicans, he just talked like one, but grew government at levels even Democrats would be embarassed by. He spent more than a TRILLION DOLLARS on SDI which gave us absolutely NOTHING. Not a single prototype. It gave us nothing. He also took credit for the the fall of the Soviet Union which he had NOTHING to do with. Communism was crumbling on its own as it always does. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-12-2005, 12:02 AM	#227
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Radar, close your mouth and open your eyes, dammit. Study the man's philosophies. Better for libertarianism if collectivist totalitarianism doesn't merely fall, but is pushed. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-12-2005, 10:34 AM	#230
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Or not so strange. As the case may be... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

08-12-2005, 10:49 AM	#231
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	What I'm finding interesting is that right here in our own little Cellar, we have the full rainbow of the libertarian party in microcosm. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-12-2005, 10:57 AM	#232
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Careful using the rainbow as a descriptor... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

08-12-2005, 11:01 AM	#233
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	White is all colors. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-12-2005, 11:13 AM	#234
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	What is so bad about being a Libertarian? I thought Radar was just an extremely bad example of one. Is the whole damn party like him? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-12-2005, 11:15 AM	#235
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	There's noting bad about being a libertarian, per se ... but it has a lot more shades of meaning than just radar's version, is what I'm getting at. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-12-2005, 11:19 AM	#236
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	So, he is a bad example of one! I knew it! He's rude, too. Just FYI. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-12-2005, 04:38 PM	#238
Mr.Anon.E.Mouse Hiding behind a Belgian Chimay Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 92	"My Memories of Ronald Reagan's Passing" by Anon E. Mouse Ronald Wilson Reagan passed away with 5 or 6 hours of my mom. She was friends with Reagan and spent a lot of good times out at the ranch. I liked Reagan for his compassion and for being kind to my mom, so my attachment to him was purely visceral. Losing both of them at about the same time sucked dick. Anyhow, I drove back here to the Bay Area from Fairburn, GA, alone, giving myself a lot of time to be alone and all that stuff, low and slow over Route 66. On the second day of driving, I turned on the radio to listen to the national memorial and had to pull the damned car over because I felt like all the nice things folks said about reagan applied to my mom, too, and it ws just too much to bear, so there I was, a puddle of tears and snot, sitting on the side of a highway out in the middle of Wet Dog, OK. As luck would have it, I went through my mom's photos and what do you think ws right there on top? A picture of her and our former President! Whoa, huh? So there you go. __________________ "Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission." -Robert Anton Wilson

08-12-2005, 04:56 PM	#239
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Actually, I'm a good libertarian. And there aren't several types of libertarians. There are some who claim to be libertarians, but who really aren't. This is the biggest problem in our party. You get a bunch of morons trying to change the party into the Republitarian party or the Demotarian Party. You get people who say they don't support the initiation of force, yet support starting a completely unprovoked war like that in Iraq. You get people saying they don't support government force to tell us what to do with our own body...unless it's having an abortion. Then it's ok to initiate force against them. There are no shades of gray. You're a libertarian or you're not. You either support the initiation of force for political gain or social engineering, or you don't. Claiming to be a libertarian who supports the war in Iraq is no different than saying, "I am a Christian because I believe in every part of the bible other than the parts about Jesus". By definition if you don't believe in Jesus, you're not a Christian, even if you believe in every other part of the bible. The same is true of libertarianism. You can support smaller government. You can support the elimination of income taxes. You can support legalizing drugs. You can support unrestricted gun ownership. You can believe in nearly every part of libertarianism other than the NAP (Non-Aggression Principle), and you're not a libertarian. You can disagree with the Libertarian Party in all areas but as long as you believe in the NAP, you're still a libertarian. For the record, I'm a fantastic example of a Libertarian and an intelligent, reasonable, open-minded, well-educated, well-rounded person in general. Not to mention I've got a wonderful sense of humor and a warm personality. Oh, and did I mention humble? Your Friend in Liberty, Paul T. Ireland Executive Committee Libertarian Party of California __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin Last edited by Radar; 08-12-2005 at 06:00 PM.

08-12-2005, 05:28 PM	#240
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Well. There ya go. That is what's wrong with Libertarians. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

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