Forum Design Patterns

Rock Steady · 05-04-2006, 01:51 AM

In Software Engineering and other disciplines there are papers, articles and books on Design Patterns. Here we propose an initial set of Forum Design Patterns modeled after recent events at The Cellar.

Forum Design Patterns
(1) Lump and Censor
(2) Poke and Bash
(3) Ambush and Ban

This is only the beginning of the list. I'm sure if we all contribute to this effort, we can create a bestselling book and retire to book signings at Borders stores.

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(1) Lump and Censor
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Don't discriminate between different posters' writings. Label a group of them and shut them up right away. Strut your testestorone with as few words as possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by x

That's the problem. You idiots keep it a "highly-charged emotional situation" with this bullshit you call "support". You're nothing but enablers, not friends.

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(2) Poke and Bash
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From the School of Speak Boldy and Carry a Big Stick. Push someone's button, wait for their response, then crack them over the head.

Quote:

Good morning, time for your daily reality check.
He didn't miss you last night. He didn't even think about you.
Carry on.

Quote:

Oh, I know, I know...I've been licking my wounds all night--and, this morning. I don't know who I hate more-him or me. The urge to fuck up his life is raising it's ugly head. I want to call him and tell him off. Not that he'd care.

Quote:

Dude. get over it. You can't fuck up his life. There's nothing you could do that would remotely affect him one way or the other (there's assault and murder, but that's counterproductive). Make him as much of a non-entity in your mind as you are in his. Rejoin humanity and stop wallowing in dog shit.

You're afraid of feeling nothing, aren't you? Well, you're going to have to, at least for awhile. Suck it up, do it. End of story.

I'm quickly running out of empathy here. How many times can someone walk up to you and say "Look, I hit myself in the head with a hammer" and you stop feeling sorry for them?

end. it.

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(3) Ambush and Ban
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This is where someone starts a thread to bash and provoke somone. The target defends themselves, then several known combants join in the ambush, pig fighting ensues, and the target is banned. In many cases, the ban is temporary, known cases vary between 8 months and 4 days.

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Originally Posted by A

must... resist... urge... to bash... Mari... and ruin... the thread... -

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Originally Posted by A

ok i created a thread to bash her over in health.

Talk about the Marichiko ban here

Quote:

Originally Posted by E

...could someone please direct me to the salient sequence of postings that resulted in this ban...

Quote:

Originally Posted by R

It's not really worth reading, but the last pig fight was here:

Marichiko smokes cigarettes
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=10607

The final sucide post was at the end of this:

Why am I constantly eating?
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=10576

Anyone that posts in large red font should immediately get the axe. UT, you are right, if someone gets so angry as to ask for banning, you gotta do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by R

... the same thing happened to another friend of mine. A bash thread was started, half a dozen people fought with her, and she got banned. The UT character was JR, the LJ character was NW, and the Mari character was WW. Same play, different actors.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-04-2006, 03:15 PM

Quote:

3. Don't be insufferably annoying.

Flint · 05-05-2006, 08:34 AM

I like idea of an anonymous forum where the weight of each individual idea must stand.

wolf · 05-05-2006, 11:16 AM

Do you mean like where nobody has a user name, and you don't know who posted what?

Flint · 05-05-2006, 11:19 AM

@wolf: Yes, but of course you would need to estabish some sense of community first, or who cares, right? So maybe you take an existing community and build an anonymous board within that site where you must have a valid username to post, but it doesn't display.

Then again, it could just degrade into a flame-war board. But my vision is that it could be used to further elevate people above the superficial qualities and assumptions that seperate us, even further than the internet currently does.

wolf · 05-05-2006, 11:26 AM

Back in the day, with different software, The Cellar had an anonymous board. No matter what you posted the user name always showed as Anonymous. I don't think that's possible with vB.

Flint · 05-05-2006, 11:31 AM

hmmmmmm...not an original idea, I guess.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-05-2006, 06:29 PM

Do you think you could read a post by TW or Urbane guerrilla and not know who posted it?

Rock Steady · 05-05-2006, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Do you think you could read a post by TW or Urbane guerrilla and not know who posted it?

Sometimes you are dead right. Sometimes.

footfootfoot · 05-05-2006, 09:59 PM

I've been on boards with anon for user IDs. They devlove rapidly into cesspools of invective. (they may improve after I leave them though

)

As it is, I am just beginning to think I understand "sock puppets" but don't know the etymology of the term, and have only the vaguest of ideas what barak and joscher refer to.

DucksNuts · 05-05-2006, 10:13 PM

I've been on boards with anon threads, nothing worse than bagging the bejesus outta someone, or revealing something that you REALLY didnt want ppl to know came from you ...then you find out that when you click the lil ole "find all posts by this member" ALL!!! your posts come up.

wolf · 05-06-2006, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I've been on boards with anon for user IDs. They devlove rapidly into cesspools of invective. (they may improve after I leave them though

)

We do just fine with that by posting under our own names here.

I have never noticed a hesitation on a dwellar's part to call a motherfucking asshole a spade.

Elspode · 05-06-2006, 02:41 AM

Quote:Originally Posted by E
...could someone please direct me to the salient sequence of postings that resulted in this ban...

Can anyone tell me how this request for information contributed to the "pigfighting"? I just wanted to read what happened. I'm pretty sure my subsequent posts were against the ban, in general.

Please don't quote my posts out of context. You'll be wrong every time, man.

Rock Steady · 05-06-2006, 03:26 PM

Sorry, I didn't intend your question to be part of the problem at all. It was just part of the setup. It's like a "Man walks into a bar" story, usually the bartender is an innocent bystander. I should have trimmed it out. Again, sorry, Elspode.

JayMcGee · 05-06-2006, 07:00 PM

@Flint.....

that was partly the reasoning behind the creation of 'jerry_cornelius' on the AG board..... and you know how badly that turned out!

05-05-2006, 08:34 AM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I like idea of an anonymous forum where the weight of each individual idea must stand. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-05-2006, 11:16 AM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Do you mean like where nobody has a user name, and you don't know who posted what? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-05-2006, 11:19 AM	#5
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	@wolf: Yes, but of course you would need to estabish some sense of community first, or who cares, right? So maybe you take an existing community and build an anonymous board within that site where you must have a valid username to post, but it doesn't display. Then again, it could just degrade into a flame-war board. But my vision is that it could be used to further elevate people above the superficial qualities and assumptions that seperate us, even further than the internet currently does. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-05-2006, 11:26 AM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Back in the day, with different software, The Cellar had an anonymous board. No matter what you posted the user name always showed as Anonymous. I don't think that's possible with vB. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-05-2006, 11:31 AM	#7
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	hmmmmmm...not an original idea, I guess. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-05-2006, 06:29 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Do you think you could read a post by TW or Urbane guerrilla and not know who posted it? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-05-2006, 09:59 PM	#10
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I've been on boards with anon for user IDs. They devlove rapidly into cesspools of invective. (they may improve after I leave them though ) As it is, I am just beginning to think I understand "sock puppets" but don't know the etymology of the term, and have only the vaguest of ideas what barak and joscher refer to. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

05-05-2006, 10:13 PM	#11
DucksNuts Bitchy Little Brat Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,067	I've been on boards with anon threads, nothing worse than bagging the bejesus outta someone, or revealing something that you REALLY didnt want ppl to know came from you ...then you find out that when you click the lil ole "find all posts by this member" ALL!!! your posts come up.

05-06-2006, 02:41 AM	#13
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Quote:Originally Posted by E ...could someone please direct me to the salient sequence of postings that resulted in this ban... Can anyone tell me how this request for information contributed to the "pigfighting"? I just wanted to read what happened. I'm pretty sure my subsequent posts were against the ban, in general. Please don't quote my posts out of context. You'll be wrong every time, man. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

05-06-2006, 03:26 PM	#14
Rock Steady Day Tripper Join Date: May 2005 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 784	Sorry, I didn't intend your question to be part of the problem at all. It was just part of the setup. It's like a "Man walks into a bar" story, usually the bartender is an innocent bystander. I should have trimmed it out. Again, sorry, Elspode. __________________

05-06-2006, 07:00 PM	#15
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	@Flint..... that was partly the reasoning behind the creation of 'jerry_cornelius' on the AG board..... and you know how badly that turned out! __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

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