Obama--the grumblings

[classicman]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Our nation is broke because waitresses don't declare their tips.

fixed that for ya.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=539882&postcount=264

20.3 Billion? That's not even 5% of a bailout. Chicken feed.

[sugarpop]

[Quote:]Originally Posted by capnhowdy
Also, taxes would be collected from drug dealers, prostitutes, scam artists, cash only 'contractors', etc.[/quote]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How would you propose to accomplish that? Voluntary disclosure?

Gee, maybe if we just repealed the stupid laws on prostitution and drugs, those people would be taxed. It would also get rid of a lot of the violence associated with those crimes. And we should seriously prosecute contractors who pay that way (because they are usually hiring illegal workers). That sounds better to me than a flat tax, which I don't agree with. Unless it started very low for necessities and lower priced items, and graduated it for higher priced, luxury items. That is the only way it could work. People would paying that tax, on top of sales tax. So in a state where the sales tax is 8%, tack on another 22% and that is 30% tax on everything you buy. Can you imagine?

We are taxed to death in this country, because there are so many hidden taxes on stuff, like phones, and cell phones. WTF? Personally, if we're going to eliminate taxes, I say we eliminate taxes on actual working income. In other words, tax the money that people make on investments, because that's how most rich people make money. But don't tax them on their salaries, up to, say, $100,000. Then start gradually taxing incomes. Start at, say, 10%, and go up 2% every $25,000 until you get up to 35%. NO loopholes. Sounds fair enough to me.

I also think the whole charity writeoff might end up being a mistake. But you know, IF we actually had a living wage in this country, and people were paid fairly for the work they do, and we had a decent healthcare system, then we wouldn't need some charities. And the charities we did still have, well, people would make enough to donate to their causes anyway, IF we had a fair labor market. IMHO, the people who make the most money deserve it the least.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by TGRR

20.3 Billion? Chicken feed.

Oh yea? can you back that up with a citation. kidding.

You forgot to add "IMHO".

20.3 billion would go a long way as sorce of tax revenue.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Oh yea? can you back that up with a citation. kidding.

You forgot to add "IMHO".

20.3 billion would go a long way as sorce of tax revenue.

AIG got 30 billion today ALONE.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But I can't hide my money. It goes through a bank, which along with my employers report my income on W-2's and 1099's. I can only shield my income from further taxation by maximizing my legal pre-tax deductions and taking every other deduction I can legally take. What is not fair is that I pay for people who don't pay taxes, while 42% of my income goes to the government. Where is the incentive? The incentive under these taxation programs is to be poor and let the government pay for your needs.

The whole point is that billions are lost to people who do not report income. I cannot do that.

I don't believe you should be paying 42%. I don't think anyone should pay that much. Not even Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. Ok, maybe them.

I thought you had said somewhere that you didn't care if they raised taxes because you would hide your income. Sorry if I misunderstood. Maybe you were just being facetious.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by TGRR

AIG got 30 billion today ALONE.

And who ok'd that?

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by classicman

And who ok'd that?

The new pack of dumbasses. Why?

TGRR,
Happy to hate on both sides.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Maybe you were just being facetious.

Most likely just in a combative mood at the time over the issue. :p

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by classicman

Name one, ONE waitress who claims all her tips, or pizza delivery guy... or the furniture delivery guy or the postman who gets $10 or $20 bucks for Christmas. How bout the Deli that takes cash only? The guy you buy your christmas tree from.... C'mon are you serious?
Wrong is wrong. Kthxbai

OK, you're right. But you think people who work for tips are getting rich off of them? Personally, I think we do away with the whole tipping system. People expect tips now. Everyone wants a tip. Even people who don't deserve it. Those people should be paid a salary that they can live on. (btw, what does this mean? -->Kthxbai)

lol - Don't be speakin' for me there, snap crackle sugarpop.
Hey Cap'n - Happy 5th YEAR anniversary?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Most likely just in a combative mood at the time over the issue. :p

You know me. Always ready to argue. Or were you talking about you?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

You know me. Always ready to argue. Or were you talking about you?

Hey ya kettle.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

OK, you're right. But you think people who work for tips are getting rich off of them? Personally, I think we do away with the whole tipping system. People expect tips now. Everyone wants a tip. Even people who don't deserve it. Those people should be paid a salary that they can live on.

Perhaps we should all just make the same amount?

Originally Posted by sugarpop

(btw, what does this mean? -->Kthxbai)

its short for ok thanks goodbye

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

Perhaps we should all just make the same amount?

Damm socialist.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

Any recovery that does not create further recession will appear typically many years later. Once we eliminate the salesmen, honest statements based in study of other recessions define economic recover in more like four years.

Salesman (ie stock brokers) are promoting a turn around in a year or less. They are promoting sales - not honesty. The economy has been harmed so badly for almost a decade. Time for everyone to pay for a decade of welfare to the rich. This is how economics takes revenge for wealth created by money games.

Obama's budget predicts 3.2% growth in 2010, 4% in 2011, 4.6 percent in 2012 and 4.2 percent in 2013.

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