baltimore

[xoxoxoBruce]

It becomes their neighborhood when they have a stake in it. I'm betting the rioters own no property, no business, no stake.

[henry quirk]

"Nobody actually burned their own house, right?"

"It becomes their neighborhood when they have a stake in it."

In the context of this thread (my anecdote and Baltimore): 'home' is synonymous with 'town' and 'community'.

As for having a stake: again, 'to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.'

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Sumthin' else: (again, borrowing from my anecdote)
George has pissed me off and naturally (for me) I want redress.
I would, however, view with great suspicion the interest of strangers in my circumstance. ... #

But Henry, you've changed the specifics of the situation.

Try stating your case in terms of:
"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

[henry quirk]

"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

All more the reason for me to mebbe burn down HIS house (with him in it).

Sure as shit I won't burn down my own, won't burn out the neighbor on the other side of me who has done nuthin.

And: I would still view offers of help from strangers with great suspicion, wondering what they hope to gain ridin’ on the coat tails of MY circumstance.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

As for having a stake: again, 'to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.'

There's 3 drugstores on every block, but no groceries, you gotta go to whitey's neighborhood for food. Who the fuck can afford to put grannie in a home, she'll die on the sofa in the parlor, where she's been for years.

[henry quirk]

Bruce, can you post where you got this information ("3 drugstores on every block, but no groceries")?

And: it ain't an old folks home, but a Senior Center got wasted, ya know, where granny goes for bingo.

[Undertoad]

it's quite amazing henry that you have granted immediate collectivist responsibility to a group of people to the point where their interests are described in ownership terms ("their" house, "their" pharmacy).

~ but you yourself find collective responsibility abhorrent ~

in fact if "your" pharmacy was burning and the fire could be put out with your own water you would say you had no interest in the situation and it is not your business and they should manage their own affairs

[Happy Monkey]

Technically, the construction site where granny might eventually have gone for bingo. AND, apparently, might eventually have lived.

The project, planned as roughly 60 senior-citizen apartments and a community center, has been in the works since at least 2006. It is being built by The Woda Group, a low-income housing developer.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Baltimore... Molotov cocktails?

[henry quirk]

If a man burns down his own home out of anger at another, this is crazy.

If a group of folks burn down their neighborhood (its businesses) out of anger at the cops, this is crazy.

That's my point...thanks for straying from it...thanks for makin' your distaste for me known (again).

The distaste goes both ways, I assure you.

#

"in fact if "your" pharmacy was burning and the fire could be put out with your own water you would say you had no interest in the situation and it is not your business and they should manage their own affairs"

Mebbe...but then I wouldn't have started the fire in the first place, so...

Then, again: if that pharmacy was the only one available to me, if I depended on that pharmacy for medicine, I might very well be on the bucket brigade...it's called self interest.

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

My nephew lives with me...I could not love him more if he were my son...he's not the fruit of my loins but he's mine.

That's cool. Very cool, in fact. I have a fair amount of respect for people who raise children that aren't "their's". Not too long back I saw a 50-ish year old man moved to tears when the 20 year old beside him referred to him as "my dad for all intents and purposes. He's been more of a father to me than my dad ever was."

Good on ya, Mr. Quirk.

As you were, people.

[DanaC]

Rioting is an expression of anger with no outlet - and it is not directed inwards at all. Those who see this in terms of inwardly directed destruction, such as burning down one's own house, or destroying one's own community, presuppose a sense of community which includes shops and businesses. For many people, and I would imagine this is particularly acute for young people, their sense of community is much narrower.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If a group of folks burn down their neighborhood (its businesses) out of anger at the cops, this is crazy.

Who started the fires, and how those specific people relate to the "they" whose neighborhood it is? Do you know more than has been reported?

The protest drew people from all over the city, not to mention the country. It drew people who supported the cause, and it drew people who just like to riot at protests. We know nothing about the perpetrators.

Essentially, you lied to your nephew.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

All more the reason for me to mebbe burn down HIS house (with him in it).
<snip>

Should that be interpreted that it is OK to settle grievances against law enforcement,
so long as only the jails, the police stations, cop cars, or local cop's personal houses
... are torched ?

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

That's my point...thanks for straying from it...thanks for makin' your distaste for me known (again).

The distaste goes both ways, I assure you.

I assure you it doesn't. Respectful disagreement is what I founded this place for. Mature people discuss issues without considering it personal. I will point out flaws in your argument without finding you unworthy, and I will field flaws in my own argument without feeling diminished.

"in fact if "your" pharmacy was burning and the fire could be put out with your own water you would say you had no interest in the situation and it is not your business and they should manage their own affairs"

Mebbe...

No "mebbe" about it, if this question had come up in any other thread, you'd be demanding that you have no involvement. I'm not being accusatory here, this is your basic philosophy.

but then I wouldn't have started the fire in the first place, so...

Either they are LITERALLY BURNING THEIR OWN PHARMACIES, or you have constructed a shitty analogy that doesn't even jive with your own basic philosophy. I'm going with B.

And it's a straw man. You have created an analogy that makes no sense: why would someone burn down their own house? It's not their house. It's not their pharmacy. It's not their grocery. I know you agree, it's your basic philosophy. So if you still don't understand, that's entirely on you. You wrote the analogy that you don't understand! Why don't you describe the terms more realistically and see if you understand that?