RIP Ronald Reagan

[Undertoad]

Huh, CNN's subtitle for their "Remembering Ronald Reagan" graphic is

"Mourning in America"

That's kinda edgy? I bet their graphics people are envious of The Daily Show graphic writers, who get to pun any way they like.

[Clodfobble]

I shit you not, I once saw a screen subtitle on CNN that read "Bootylicious." They were doing a story about a recently uncovered sunken ship full of treasure.

[vsp]

Originally posted by lookout123
it is difficult for the rest of the world to respect him/the office if all the world sees is our own citizens endlessly disrespecting the man/the office of the president.

It is difficult for the rest of the world to respect a President or his office if his statements, actions and public policies are not worthy of respect.

At least six out of the last seven Presidents have done their part in causing their office to be held in disrespect; probably seven, depending on how you feel about Jimmy Carter.

Garbage in, garbage out.

[Beestie]

Originally posted by Clodfobble

I shit you not, I once saw a screen subtitle on CNN that read "Bootylicious." They were doing a story about a recently uncovered sunken ship full of treasure.

MSNBC once did a story/interview on
Niger Innis but an extra 'g' found its way in the subtitle - you can guess where they put it.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by lookout123
the president should not be seen as weak and unsupported. it is difficult for the rest of the world to respect him/the office if all the world sees is our own citizens endlessly disrespecting the man/the office of the president.

Soooo in other words: lie to the world about how we feel about the President? Have them assume that "we" agree 100% with his policies, views, etc.? Sorry, no can do. If I have something to say, negative or positive about the Commander in Chief, then I am going to say it. Reagan was NOT (IMO) the best President, and quite personally, I cringe at all this hero worship being praised upon him. However, he DID seem like a good person overall.

both parties and the media are equally guilty of dragging the presidency through the mud. i see no problem in going after the policies/politics of the individual, but i have a serious problem with going after the individual. it is not helpful to anyone, and i believe it is just plain wrong.

Punish the sin and not the sinner? I was never a believer in that.

However...

People are going to remember Reagan however they want to remember him. You think some of the comments are bad here...you ain't seen nothing compared to some other sites I've been on.

I have to say as I remember the Reagan years, I didn't particularly like the aspect of nuclear warheads pointed in our direction and waiting to see who would blink first, but he seemed like an ok guy, and I did like his speaking voice (probably fine tuned because of his acting days).

[OnyxCougar]

Originally posted by sycamore
Eh, wrong person, Onyx.

oops! Sorry, Syc...

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by lumberjim
this is what i'm talking about. every other post you and cougar make is a cloyingly sarcastic barb about being maligned by freakin radar. i'm not saying you are 'martyrs' in the literal sense. i was referring to your 'martyr routine' -- jokingly bemoaning your mistreatment and denial by radar. over and over and over and over and over...........and over and over and over.

what i said had nothing at all to do with your symptoms. Not unless whining is one of the symptoms of CO poisoning or depression.

but, since you brought it up....again:

The thing about a message board is that it levels the playing field. you could be a quadriplegic pygmi homosexual typing with your penis, and i wouldnt know the difference. it also means that you should stop trying to use it as an excuse or a defense for what you write.


Don't think i'm saying this to be mean to you. You're a big girl, and I think you can tell the difference between mean spirited attacks, and plainly stated feedback from someone who cares enough to tell you about it. If you ever see me come out of the bathroom with toilet paper stuck to my shoe, or a booger hanging from a nose hair, or my fly is down, I want you to tell me about it immediately. If I have bad breath, tell me. I'd rather be embarrassed and know it than embarrassed and not know it. I rip on you because I feel that it is my duty. Just ask Perth.

You know, I was in the middle of typing out a detailed response to this...and then it hit me. This could be simply summed up with one quote:

"Until you have walked a mile in my shoes, no one has the right to tell me what route to take." Dr. George Keller

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by Clodfobble
and it was also you who accused Radar of "spying" on posts under a different name

Jesus Christ guys, was I the only person who got the joke about Radar being Spivey? Do you REMEMBER Spivey's posts? It was a joke.

Remember? Not really. Oh well, maybe it would have helped if Jim was talking to someone who actually DID remember. I'm going to take a wild guess and say marichiko did not.

See, watch: "Sometimes Lumberjim logs on as Perry5 just to stir the shit some more..." See how that was humor, because they're obviously different people but on an ironic level there are similarities?

Hmm...not quite. Guess I'm not on here as much to "get it". *shrugs*

It's like every time Radar is involved in a thread the rest of you lose all sense of perspective.

LMAO, now THAT was funny!!!!

:p

Originally posted by ladysycamore

Remember? Not really. Oh well, maybe it would have helped if Jim was talking to someone who actually DID remember. I'm going to take a wild guess and say marichiko did not.

Excellent guess. Don't have the foggiest. Nor do I remember "somebody5" (Looks back thru thread). Oh, Perry5. Was that recent?

[jaguar]

I have no idea what the hell they're talking about either.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by marichiko
Excellent guess. Don't have the foggiest. Nor do I remember "somebody5" (Looks back thru thread). Oh, Perry5. Was that recent?

Couldn't tell ya. I just come here, speak my peace, and then I'm out. I really don't recall a lot from here unless it's something really "hot" or Syc points something out to me and we talk about it. Other than that *shrugs* I just go on about to the business at hand with my support board, research and chat.

BTW, I read your story. My god..I thought I heard everything. Colorado sucks when it comes to the disabled. I was reading up on carbon monoxide poisoning too:

CO Headquarters: The Most Complete Website on Carbon Monoxide Toxicology in the World
http://www.coheadquarters.com/CO1.htm

Functional changes:
http://www.coheadquarters.com/coNeuropsych1.htm

Not that I didn't understand before (because I could relate to what you are going through on other level), but after reading that, I now have a better understanding of it.

I felt compelled to look up some information for you. I don't know if you've been trying to do the same, but here a link that I found that I hope that can be of some help:

Immune Web-CO support groups and info
http://immuneweb.org/classifieds/groups.html

I hope things start working out for the best for you.

[vsp]

Originally posted by ladysycamore
Reagan was NOT (IMO) the best President, and quite personally, I cringe at all this hero worship being praised upon him. However, he DID seem like a good person overall.

Nicely summed up.

There are conservabots out there currently redoubling their efforts to perpetuate the myth that Reagan was the Greatest President Ever -- the most popular, the most successful, fulfilled every campaign promise, served all Americans well, defeated the Evil Empire, blah blah blah, and thus he was an American Hero and a Role Model and a Superb Leader and should have his face and name glued onto everything in America that isn't nailed down.

The link I provided on Page 2 of this thread helps debunk much of that. He wasn't an abject failure, but he wasn't a conquering hero of ultraconservatism, either. The army of Dittobots loves to pimp Reagan's accomplishments, but often neglect to mention things like Iran-Contra, massive federal deficits, the (necessary) rollback of many of his prized tax cuts, the S & L scandal, the small army of Reagan's appointees and Cabinet members who were indicted and/or convicted of various crimes, his luck in having Mikhail Gorbachev with whom to negotiate, his frequent compromises with the Democrats (surely a cardinal sin in Dittoland), his diminished capabilities in the later years of his Presidency, and other flaws. Many of the accomplishments they cite are overstated and exaggerated, as well.

It's like photographing a man who's wearing a pimpin' suit-jacket only from the waist up, in hopes that no one will notice that he's forgotten his pants and has dog crap on his shoe.

Reagan might've been a good person in private, a devoted husband, a nice guy, etc., but that's irrelevant to the larger debate; calling him a poor leader does not equate to calling him a bad person.

But if you bring up Reagan's obvious flaws now, it's practically a declaration of war in the eyes of those who worship him and hail him as the father of modern conservatism. To them, we should all morph into Peggy Noonan and breathlessly stare wide-eyed at Saint Ronnie, saluting the Man Who Saved America, and to suggest otherwise is somehow inherently offensive.

Screw _that_.

Every editorial deserves a rebuttal. When others are putting Reagan on a pedestal and pumping out one-sided spin, it's not a "smear on the office of the Presidency" to show up and give the other side. Five months away from a vitally important election cycle, it's doubly important to take the blinders off about America's recent history, particularly when Bush will have little hesitation in painting himself as following in Reagan's footsteps. America needs to know where those footsteps might lead.

At the very least, Americans need to wipe away the fantasy that the world, our leaders and others can be viewed in black-or-white, good-or-evil terms. There's some truth on both sides of the Reagan argument, just as there will be for every President one may consider.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by vsp
At the very least, Americans need to wipe away the fantasy that the world, our leaders and others can be viewed in black-or-white, good-or-evil terms. There's some truth on both sides of the Reagan argument, just as there will be for every President one may consider.

*standing ovation* Please, let me return the "props"...VERY well said.

[OnyxCougar]

I agree with you, vsp, but the one thing you didn't touch on is respect.


It's one thing for a person to say, "You know, I disagreed with alot of his policies, and I think overall, he was a bad president" and it is quite something to say the shit Radar said about spitting on his grave, and going to hell (which Radar doesn't believe in in the first place).

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by OnyxCougar
I agree with you, vsp, but the one thing you didn't touch on is respect.


It's one thing for a person to say, "You know, I disagreed with alot of his policies, and I think overall, he was a bad president" and it is quite something to say the shit Radar said about spitting on his grave, and going to hell (which Radar doesn't believe in in the first place).

Hopefully, he meant himself (going to hell). :p