Put him to death. He must be evil.

[tw]

He must be guilty. He cries to much. Therefore he is not covered by the Vienna Convention. Put the bastard to death since George Jr would not do this to an innocent man. We have the Patriot Acts so that this is legal and justified.

from NY Times of 30 Jun 2004 In F.B.I., Innocent Detainee Found Unlikely Ally
It took no more than a week for James P. Wynne, a veteran F.B.I. investigator, to confirm the harmless truth that only now, more than two years later, he is ready to talk about. The small foreign man he helped arrest for videotaping outside an office building in Queens on Oct. 25, 2001, was no terrorist.

He was a Buddhist from Nepal planning to return there after five years of odd jobs at places like a Queens pizzeria and a Manhattan flower shop. He was taping New York street scenes to take back to his wife and sons in Katmandu. And he had no clue that the tall building that had drifted into his viewfinder happened to include an office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

[Happy Monkey]

And people complain that the Supreme Court just gave rights to terrorists.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by Happy Monkey
And people complain that the Supreme Court just gave rights to terrorists.

To what does that refer?

[Beestie]

How is yet another stunning example of the FBI's incompetence about Bush? And what does it have to do with the death penalty in Texas (which Bush also had nothing to do with)? The story has plenty of worth on its own merit and is a disgusting abuse of power by the same organization that stood on the sidelines while the hijackers were taking their flight lessons. Was Ruby Ridge W's fault? Was Waco also Bush's fault?!?! Did the Bush hamstring the CIA's ability to gather human intel?

Everyone knows you hate Bush, tw and that's fine. But to make Bush the scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong since September 11, 2001 is a huge, huge mistake. The trap that you have set for yourself is thinking that if W loses in November that all the evils of government will evaporate as soon as Kerry is sworn in.

What will happen, I predict, is that if W loses and we have more government abuse or incompetence (9/11 part II or more buffoonery from the FBI or DoJ), that you will blame it on W's administration. In so doing, you are blinding yourself to the problems that are creating the problems - problems that have been around long before W took office. And, just for the record, W gets the blame for a lot so this isn't some partisan attempt to exempt him from any responsibility for other things for which he is clearly at fault.

[Beestie]

Originally posted by Troubleshooter
To what does that refer?

To the Supreme Court decision yesterday.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by Beestie
To the Supreme Court decision yesterday.

A link would have been nice.

I don't come to work to actually work you know.

[Happy Monkey]

Here's the easiest link I could find with both the decision, and the type of complaint I was referring to.

[lookout123]

Originally posted by Beestie
Everyone knows you hate Bush, tw and that's fine. But to make Bush the scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong since September 11, 2001 is a huge, huge mistake. The trap that you have set for yourself is thinking that if W loses in November that all the evils of government will evaporate as soon as Kerry is sworn in.

Dude you are so misguided - don't you know W was on the grassy knoll? without a smoking gun no less! bastard.

Originally posted by Beestie

The trap that you have set for yourself is thinking that if W loses in November that all the evils of government will evaporate as soon as Kerry is sworn in.

They won't?

[Happy Monkey]

However the rate of generation of new evils will go down dramatically.

[lookout123]

Originally posted by Happy Monkey
However the rate of generation of new evils will go down dramatically.

what? someone forgot to tell me we are eliminating politicians altogether?

[Happy Monkey]

I said the rate would decrease. I didn't say it would stop.

[lookout123]

they are all pretty much the same. for every political action there will always be a person that stand up and shouts "we're saved" and another person will shout "it's the end of the world"

and somewhere in between the majority will say "what's for dinner? do you know what my jackass boss did today?"

[tw]

Originally posted by Beestie
Everyone knows you hate Bush, tw and that's fine. But to make Bush the scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong since September 11, 2001 is a huge, huge mistake. The trap that you have set for yourself is thinking that if W loses in November that all the evils of government will evaporate as soon as Kerry is sworn in.

Under what other American administration were thousands of people imprisoned, sexually and physically abused, denied basic human rights, denied access by a lawyer or family members, and put into solitary confinement for months - all without even being charged with a serious crime. Once we called it the Spanish Inquistion. Now we just call it the George Jr administration.

The NY Times article is but an example of outright disregard for American principles because the George Jr administration condones even fundamental violations of American law. No other president - not even Nixon - did what the George Jr admininstration condoned. We can now suspect it even encouraged Guantanamo, Brooklyn House of Detention, Passaic County Prision in Paterson, and Abu Ghraib. This is not about a dislike for a person. This is about the perverted principles of this man and his extremist administration. So perverted that thousands of people - including this so very innocent immigrant worker - would be treated as if Saddam Hussien was in power.

Those are facts. What is the common factor among Abu Ghraib, Brooklyn House of Detention, Guantanamo, and the Passaic County jail? The George Jr administration.

This is the same president who had PDBs on his desk warning of the WTC attack - and he did nothing! "It was not actionable"? What were they waiting for; an invitation from bin Laden?

Same man and same mentality that all but got us into a shooting war with China over a silly spy plane. Same man who undermined the Oslo Accords - as was predicted. Same man who stifled prosecution of corrupt corporate executives in Enron, MCI Worldcom, the mythical CA energy crisis, etc because prosecution would somehow contribute to a recession. Same man who all but ordered the military to not get Ossama bin Laden. Same man whose solution to excessive energy consumption is to encourage more consumption; to stifle innovation. Same man who never ran a successful corporation but profited handsomely. Same man whose solution to badly managed airlines with grossly overpaid management was to give them $billions - without any strings attached. Same man who stifles basic science such as stem cell research only to promote his personal religious beliefs. Same man who took apart a working effort to bring N Korea and Iran back into the world of responsible nations by simply declaring everything in black and white; good and evil. Same man who spends $billions on an anti-ballistic missile system so that bin Laden, et al cannot launch intercontinental missiles at us (even thought the experts working on the project say the system does not work). Same man who protected the anti-American steel manufacturing industry at the expense of productive American industries such as the steel reprocessors (who lost somewhere between 20,000 and 40,000 jobs so that George Jr could get his campaign contributions). Same man who changed the rules so that Israel can use American weapons to murder Palestinian civilians (Reagan was especially adament that Israel not be permitted to do this). Same man who took $450,000 in campaign contributions so the First Energy could keep running a nuclear reactor with both a potential Three Mile Island problem AND a hole in the containment vessel (Davis Besse). Same man whose administration would out a CIA agent - a treason offense - only to take revenge on one who exposed presidential lying. Same man who made it dangerous for Americans now to travel overseas - a drop in American popularity from 70% to 15%. Same man who (with French cooperation) so undermined the Doha round of WTO (for free trade) that the Cancún meeting broke up, with anger, before the conference could even get started. Same man undermines basic human rights and perverts rule of law in this country for his own dictatorial agenda. Same man who campaigned as a compassionate conservative and yet even made Purna Raj Bajracharya of Katmandu, Nepal just another sad story.

We have maybe 600 prisoner in Guantanamo. At best, maybe 14 or 24 may be a threat to America. No problem. As occured in France somewhere around the 14th Century. The general was asked how to tell the good Catholics from the bad ones. He said, "Kill them all. God will know his own." Imprison them all. God will see to it that the evil are punished and sexually abused by the guards. This is what happens when extremist religious beliefs - everything viewed in terms of good and evil - are more important than basic American principles.

Do I think the problems of government will immediately disappear with Kerry? Of course not. I have never been a fan of government dominated by two parties without term limits. Every president creates governmental problems. However we have never had a president so bad, so corrupt, and so self serving as George Jr. Only previous president who could complete for title as worst post WWII president is Richard Nixon.

You were not around when Margoli M Mezinsky changed her vote for Clinton after receiving political favors. Back then, I too was not very happy with Clinton. But I have never expressed so much contempt for any domestic politician (and only for the dichead) as I have for this president. Why? We never had a president who does bad things to America month after month for every month. Purna Raj Bajracharya is only another victim of George Jr, his compassionate conservative beliefs, and his extremist administration.

[lookout123]

i may have missed it - was the mention of a smoking gun? if not, tw, i am greatly disappointed. i have come to enjoy watching your buildup of the smoking gun in your posts. please tell me this is just a one time occurance.