Now that Georgie has lost the Election... - Page 8

Kitsune · 11-03-2004, 02:56 PM

I have to admit that the results of this election look truly awful, but a vote by 51% of the population does not mean that this country is a 100% loss, no matter how you consider the implications. The people of this country are still nearly split in half, so we are not alone in our emotions. So while I have no intentions of keeping quiet and attempting to pretend I'm pleased over the state of our nation and the administration, I do plan to do good with the energy derrived from my displeasure, even if it means writing letters to whoever will listen to my concerns.

And, I've already figured out, arguing and debating about the petty issues in this election does no good. In fact, I firmly believe that those tactics are what did John Kerry in. The only way you'll make a difference is to make people aware of the changes that are coming and why you are concerned about them. This is our chance to witness these changes in action, make them noticed, and correct the future through our actions and words. We endured four years, we can do four more. And four more could well swing this country in the other direction.

Or, maybe it'll all just fall straight to hell. I dunno.

lumberjim · 11-03-2004, 03:28 PM

I'm pretty sure that this is the beginning of a full blown war with multiple participants. something stupid will happen in Korea, and we'll be in a land war in China before we know it. On the bright side....

....uhm...

......i got nothin' here.

Troubleshooter · 11-03-2004, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

something stupid will happen in Korea

It is inebitabull...

Happy Monkey · 11-03-2004, 03:40 PM

Excuse me?

11-03-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagney

I just have one thought on this whole situation....

Democrats have generally been supporters of more Social Programs...the funding of which comes from where....let's see...more tax dollars, which in turn reduces my pay check. Republicans have generally be supporters of fewer Social Programs, preferring that people do what they can to support themselves...which in turn...keeps the money I earn, in MY pocket.

OK, I tried kissing and making up down in the philosophy forum, and no one seems ready for that. FINE!

If you are so worried about your damn pocket book then why aren't you whining about hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars, not to mention lives thrown away in a stupid war to no end. That's where your tax dollars are going NOT to a few very inadequately funded social programs that cost in the mere hundreds of millions. We are talking about social irresponsibility here, NOT fiscal responsibility, but you conservatives are too bone-headed to get it.

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Originally Posted by Dagney

Now, I'm not questioning why you may or may not be working. I'm also not saying that it may or may not be a valid reason to be relying on social programs.

But personally, I don't think the Republican Domestic policy is to discard people - in turn, it's a movement to get people to be more personally responsible for their own lives, health and welfare - rather than relying on the Government to support them, pay their bills, give them goodies.

You have bootstraps....tug on them, you may be suprised where you get.

And before you jump on my back....I'm a single, white woman, living on my own, making a minimal salary, with my own health issues and not taking a single blessed dime from the Government. And damn proud of it.

You can take your pride and stick it where the sun don't shine, honey. That's what I've had to do with mine. I'm a single white woman who fought like a tiger to get back on her feet, and what I got in return was bullshit. When I needed a hand, the Republican backed system refused to give me anything back that I paid into it for a good 25 years.. F--K them and their whiney "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" BS. I came from a working class family. My father was an NCO in the military. I still managed to get two graduate degrees and make a better life for myself until something beyond my control happened to me. So what's wrong with YOU? You are whining to the wrong person about bootstraps and minmum wage. Go back to school and shut up.

Trilby · 11-03-2004, 04:37 PM

mmm-tried to tell her, mari, that republicans tax as much as dems only republicans KEEP the money where dem's redistribute it...she didn't bite. Then she asked me if I'd rec'd my "tax cut"--HA! was no tax cut--was merely an advance on what I would have gotten back anyfuckingway. No response from dag on either point.
whatever.

Radar · 11-03-2004, 04:46 PM

The September 11th attacks were better news for America than this election.

warch · 11-03-2004, 05:10 PM

I dont know if the draft will come back, but it is not a ridiculous notion.
I know that the military is stretched very thin. I know that the various service divisions have not made their recruiting goals and are now offering a variety of new bonus incentives. I do know that a provision of the No Child Left Behind law seeks to collect the names and addresses of young men, and soon, young women of draftable age, and currently uses this info to direct recruit. I do see that Rumsfeld's bold rethinking of the military has ignored the Powell doctrine and what was learned in Vietnam. And it seems that something must give. So we'll see. Perhaps we will succeed quickly in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or perhaps we will suffer another catastrophic attack that will spur enlistment just when we need it most. I hope its the former.

Happy Monkey · 11-03-2004, 05:18 PM

Or once the elections in Iraq take place, Bush could just declare victory and cut them loose. I don't think it would take much prodding for the press to not cover any ensuing chaos in the country. We could then blissfully forget we ever went there.

Trilby · 11-03-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by warch

I dont know if the draft will come back, but it is not a ridiculous notion.
I know that the military is stretched very thin. I know that the various service divisions have not made their recruiting goals and are now offering a variety of new bonus incentives. I do know that a provision of the No Child Left Behind law seeks to collect the names and addresses of young men, and soon, young women of draftable age, and currently uses this info to direct recruit. I do see that Rumsfeld's bold rethinking of the military has ignored the Powell doctrine and what was learned in Vietnam. And it seems that something must give. So we'll see. Perhaps we will succeed quickly in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or perhaps we will suffer another catastrophic attack that will spur enlistment just when we need it most. I hope its the former.

UT assures me that the draft WILL NOT happen. How dare you? He says anyone who thinks the draft MAY happen is a moron, idiot and something else I can't recall. Oh,yeah, "Loser"---geeez, you're stupid.

warch · 11-03-2004, 05:42 PM

He's been wrong before, the optimist. I still love him. (He cuts me the same slack, I hope.)
And hey, I hope he is right!

Undertoad · 11-03-2004, 06:25 PM

That's not what I said Bri.

Warch and I know how to disagree. At the end of the day, it don't matter 'tall.

busterb · 11-03-2004, 06:29 PM

Now that Cheney is at the wheel for 4 more years! It does my heart somewhat good to realize that the state of MS. has no monopoly on illiterate, uninformed, unwashed and poor misguide folks.

flippant · 11-03-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Or once the elections in Iraq take place, Bush could just declare victory and cut them loose. I don't think it would take much prodding for the press to not cover any ensuing chaos in the country. We could then blissfully forget we ever went there.

When is a good time to leave? In your opinion?

Happy Monkey · 11-03-2004, 07:45 PM

Is there one? I'm afraid Bush got us into a no-win situation.

11-03-2004, 03:28 PM	#107
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	I'm pretty sure that this is the beginning of a full blown war with multiple participants. something stupid will happen in Korea, and we'll be in a land war in China before we know it. On the bright side.... ....uhm... ......i got nothin' here. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-03-2004, 03:40 PM	#109
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Excuse me? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-03-2004, 04:37 PM	#111
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	mmm-tried to tell her, mari, that republicans tax as much as dems only republicans KEEP the money where dem's redistribute it...she didn't bite. Then she asked me if I'd rec'd my "tax cut"--HA! was no tax cut--was merely an advance on what I would have gotten back anyfuckingway. No response from dag on either point. whatever. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-03-2004, 04:46 PM	#112
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The September 11th attacks were better news for America than this election. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

11-03-2004, 05:18 PM	#114
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Or once the elections in Iraq take place, Bush could just declare victory and cut them loose. I don't think it would take much prodding for the press to not cover any ensuing chaos in the country. We could then blissfully forget we ever went there. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-03-2004, 02:56 PM	#106
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	I have to admit that the results of this election look truly awful, but a vote by 51% of the population does not mean that this country is a 100% loss, no matter how you consider the implications. The people of this country are still nearly split in half, so we are not alone in our emotions. So while I have no intentions of keeping quiet and attempting to pretend I'm pleased over the state of our nation and the administration, I do plan to do good with the energy derrived from my displeasure, even if it means writing letters to whoever will listen to my concerns. And, I've already figured out, arguing and debating about the petty issues in this election does no good. In fact, I firmly believe that those tactics are what did John Kerry in. The only way you'll make a difference is to make people aware of the changes that are coming and why you are concerned about them. This is our chance to witness these changes in action, make them noticed, and correct the future through our actions and words. We endured four years, we can do four more. And four more could well swing this country in the other direction. Or, maybe it'll all just fall straight to hell. I dunno.

11-03-2004, 05:10 PM	#113
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I dont know if the draft will come back, but it is not a ridiculous notion. I know that the military is stretched very thin. I know that the various service divisions have not made their recruiting goals and are now offering a variety of new bonus incentives. I do know that a provision of the No Child Left Behind law seeks to collect the names and addresses of young men, and soon, young women of draftable age, and currently uses this info to direct recruit. I do see that Rumsfeld's bold rethinking of the military has ignored the Powell doctrine and what was learned in Vietnam. And it seems that something must give. So we'll see. Perhaps we will succeed quickly in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or perhaps we will suffer another catastrophic attack that will spur enlistment just when we need it most. I hope its the former.

11-03-2004, 05:42 PM	#116
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	He's been wrong before, the optimist. I still love him. (He cuts me the same slack, I hope.) And hey, I hope he is right!

11-03-2004, 06:25 PM	#117
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's not what I said Bri. Warch and I know how to disagree. At the end of the day, it don't matter 'tall.

11-03-2004, 06:29 PM	#118
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Now that Cheney is at the wheel for 4 more years! It does my heart somewhat good to realize that the state of MS. has no monopoly on illiterate, uninformed, unwashed and poor misguide folks. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

11-03-2004, 07:45 PM	#120
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Is there one? I'm afraid Bush got us into a no-win situation. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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