Armistice Day

Griff · 11-11-2005, 07:19 PM

Well the end of the war that set up the bigger war is celebrated today. Germany is now the powerhouse of a united Europe. It makes a guy wonder if we couldn't have cut out the middleman.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-11-2005, 10:14 PM

The middlemen to have cut out would no doubt have been Kaiser Wilhelm and Der Fuehrer. Two guys (with legions and lackeys) who were truly about as far from libertarians as is humanly possible.

lookout123 · 11-12-2005, 12:03 AM

UG - i've been gone for awhile but you haven't changed your tune. your idea of libertanianism - ismism is just as deeply in the realm of asshatery as radar's. accept it. relish it. embrace it.

there are a few cellarites that are genuine libertarians (small L) that don't beat their chests about their authenticity. the chest beaters seem to be overcomepensating. for what i'll never know.

Griff · 11-12-2005, 08:45 AM

Hitler was the middleman.

I'm beginning to wonder which, if any, American interventions you would sanction despite their unintended consequences, like say Hitler being the product of an unjust peace. Here's a truncated list feel free to add any you find important or revealing of your thought process.

Vietnam?

Korea?

WWI- you apparently support intervening for the nominally more democratic anti-liberty colonial powers against the less democratic anti-liberty colonial powers.

Vera Cruz?

Panamanian Revolution?

Banana Wars?

Hawaii?

Phillipines/Moro War

Spanish-American?

Mexican War?

Guyute · 11-12-2005, 06:51 PM

I have always wondered if Hitler had not ignited Europe, and resulted in the USSR beating the Germans back to Berlin, would Eastern Europe have ended up being Soviet satellites for so long? Stalin was just as nutso as Hitler, and had millions more people to control...

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-13-2005, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123

there are a few cellarites that are genuine libertarians (small L) that don't beat their chests about their authenticity. the chest beaters seem to be overcomepensating. for what i'll never know.

"Overcomepensating?" Freudian slip?

Anyway, it's a case of how we can't believe the crap the other guy's giving us, and figure it's something that needs to be defeated. You don't win elections by making your party membership smaller, and if you want libertarianism of any stripe to happen, you're going to need the votes, aren't you? That means we should devote our efforts towards having a very large chunk of the electorate voting Libertarian and paying party dues. I want a political party more than I want a small club of likeminded gentlemen, none of whom actually or visibly want to be in office.

Guyute, yep, and he killed millions more too, all on account of being interested in total power and unlimited government. The butcher's bill for his tenure was at least twenty million, wasted by collectivist totalitarianism.

11-11-2005, 07:19 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Armistice Day Well the end of the war that set up the bigger war is celebrated today. Germany is now the powerhouse of a united Europe. It makes a guy wonder if we couldn't have cut out the middleman. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-11-2005, 10:14 PM	#2
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	The middlemen to have cut out would no doubt have been Kaiser Wilhelm and Der Fuehrer. Two guys (with legions and lackeys) who were truly about as far from libertarians as is humanly possible. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-12-2005, 08:45 AM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Hitler was the middleman. I'm beginning to wonder which, if any, American interventions you would sanction despite their unintended consequences, like say Hitler being the product of an unjust peace. Here's a truncated list feel free to add any you find important or revealing of your thought process. Vietnam? Korea? WWI- you apparently support intervening for the nominally more democratic anti-liberty colonial powers against the less democratic anti-liberty colonial powers. Vera Cruz? Panamanian Revolution? Banana Wars? Hawaii? Phillipines/Moro War Spanish-American? Mexican War? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-12-2005, 06:51 PM	#5
Guyute Gamehenge Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Halifax, NS Posts: 168	I have always wondered if Hitler had not ignited Europe, and resulted in the USSR beating the Germans back to Berlin, would Eastern Europe have ended up being Soviet satellites for so long? Stalin was just as nutso as Hitler, and had millions more people to control... __________________ It's Really Plain and Easy To See, The Family grows like fungus on a tree.

11-12-2005, 12:03 AM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	UG - i've been gone for awhile but you haven't changed your tune. your idea of libertanianism - ismism is just as deeply in the realm of asshatery as radar's. accept it. relish it. embrace it. there are a few cellarites that are genuine libertarians (small L) that don't beat their chests about their authenticity. the chest beaters seem to be overcomepensating. for what i'll never know.

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