Where would you Nuke?

[elSicomoro]

Tw, I really don't see what you're concerned about...you've said more than enough stuff on here already to make the FBI look at you funny.

Incidentally, the Philadelphia FBI field office is at 6th and Arch Sts. in Center City. The phone number is (215) 418-4000.

But before you call them on me, let me call my lawyer first.

[Skunks]

Just edit your post whenever you start feeling paranoid.

But make sure no search engines archive it. And get everybody to clear their browser's cache. And web proxies, should people use them.

Etc...

[elSicomoro]

Nah, I'm taking a snapshot of it, then I'm going to blow it up and hang it out on my balcony for everyone to see.

[elSicomoro]

UT, maybe you should post this sign here on the Cellar:

[Nothing But Net]

<img src="http://www.andgor.com/Gallery%20Pictures/Bruce-Willis-Die-Hard.gif">

Yeah, I know, said by another character. But I think it's funny. Sue me.

[tw]

Originally posted by sycamore
Tw, I really don't see what you're concerned about...you've said more than enough stuff on here already to make the FBI look at you funny.

It absolutely amazes me how I have to spell everything out, in painful detail, for sycamore. He does not even know the obvious -- why I would not want those ideas remaining for the people who also have not a clue.

No problem if the FBI reads that post. They - or at least the ones who complain about top management - apparently understand this potential threat. But as so many government employees have repeatedly stated, George Jr's admistration has not even provided America's first responders with new tools to make a safer country. When did or would a missile defense system protect NY citizens from terrorism? When did creating another level of bureacracy ever make the American public safer? Even Hilary sees through this Fatherland Security nonsense. But not Sycamore.

I don't believe the Cellar to be a hotbed of murderous radicals. It is home to many who should understand how exposed we are. Once Cellar dwellers have read the concept, no reason to leave this idea posted for everyone else in the world.

Why do I have to post the obvious for Sycamore? What kind of person would first worry what the FBI's response might be? Is Sycamore's response a Freudian reaction to some deep seated paranoia?

The original point: we are far more vunerable than commonly understood. And yet terrorists are generally so naive as to, well ... one could not even give himself a hotfoot. Eventually even terrorists may discover the Cellar. But not before Monday evening.

So that Sycamore does not get so confused again - I am asking UT to remove the three paragraphs since they are only relevant to Cellar readers and need not remain to inspire others. Sycamore - was that so difficult to understand or need I make it simpler for you? Hmmm.... on second though, Sycamore also believes everything the current president says.

[elSicomoro]

Tw, you sound like you might have a problem here. Perhaps I can help you.

Originally posted by tw
It absolutely amazes me how I have to spell everything out, in painful detail, for sycamore.

Whew! Thank God for that! If I didn't have tw spelling everything out for me, I'd be in a world of trouble. Without Tw's guidance, I'd be writing relatively coherent posts that make sense. And admitting when I might be off-base. And not sounding like a bitter know-it-all that doesn't get it.

Painful detail, eh? In the real world, we call it "getting to the point," which you have proven here that you are not very good at.

He does not even know the obvious -- why I would not want those ideas remaining for the people who also have not a clue.

I doubt that you're the first person to think of such a scenario involving NYC.

And you say you don't want this stuff remaining on the Cellar, yet you post it to a site that gets a ton of visitors, and seems to attract strange folks, like Cairo. And you ask for it to remain until Monday, when more visitors will see it.

So you see tw, even by leaving it up for a mere 2 days, you risk it being seen by people without a clue. And maybe one of those non-clueless types will pass it on to more non-clueless types. This could continue on and on, but I think even someone like you gets the point.

No problem if the FBI reads that post. They - or at least the ones who complain about top management - apparently understand this potential threat. But as so many government employees have repeatedly stated, George Jr's admistration has not even provided America's first responders with new tools to make a safer country. When did or would a missile defense system protect NY citizens from terrorism? When did creating another level of bureacracy ever make the American public safer? Even Hilary sees through this Fatherland Security nonsense. But not Sycamore.

So, since things need to be spelled out for me in painful detail, kindly explain to me how I don't see through this "Fatherland Security nonsense"? I didn't realize that I didn't see through it! PLEASE TW!!! SAVE ME FROM MYSELF!!!

Once Cellar dwellers have read the concept, no reason to leave this idea posted for everyone else in the world.

See above. Remember, there are plenty more visitors beyond Cellar Dwellars.

Why do I have to post the obvious for Sycamore? What kind of person would first worry what the FBI's response might be? Is Sycamore's response a Freudian reaction to some deep seated paranoia?

I'm not a fan of Freudian psychology, which you might have seen noted in one of Juju's threads.

The FBI mention was really more of a joke. You see, where I'm from, when someone talks ill of the government, we sometimes joke, "You better watch out! The FBI will be at your door!" As a matter of fact, this has happened in the 3 other cities in which I have lived. Maybe you're just of a different ilk, or maybe that's just above you. I think it's funny myself. To each his own.

Eventually even terrorists may discover the Cellar. But not before Monday evening.

Could you kindly explain, in incredible detail with support, how you are certain that terrorists are not already chillin on the Cellar? Thanks!

So that Sycamore does not get so confused again - I am asking UT to remove the three paragraphs since they are only relevant to Cellar readers and need not remain to inspire others. Sycamore - was that so difficult to understand or need I make it simpler for you? Hmmm.... on second though, Sycamore also believes everything the current president says.

Could you kindly explain, in incredible detail with support, how you are certain that I believe everything President Bush says? Thanks!

Well, this was certainly an interesting read! It leaves me asking one question in the end:

Tw, what is wrong with you?

Seriously man, what on earth is wrong with you? Though I only have an undergraduate degree in the field, I think that you may have some deep-rooted psychological issues that need therapy and medical treatment. My own suspicions are delusions of grandeur or some type of dissociative disorder, but only a professional can determine for certain.

I believe that you have alluded to living in Montco, so here is the county's mental health services page. I think these people can point you in the right direction. If you live elsewhere, let me know, and I'll try to help you with that particular county's mental health setup.

And if you ever need someone to listen, just let me know.

[wolf]

Originally posted by sycamore


I believe that you have alluded to living in Montco, so here is the county's mental health services page.

Interesting ... all this time and I hadn't seen that page.

What's also interesting is that there are a some inaccuracies on the page and on pages linked to it. (I'll have to talk to the folks at the office of mental health about that). They've totally left off the crisis hotline number for the county. In fact, our hospital doesn't even appear on the Health and Human Services list of hospitals ... And some of the outpatient center information isn't quite right.

(And I'll bet you all thought I was going to go into some detail regarding what's up with TW. That's his business. If he wants to have bits of his post deleted, that's up to him. It's not like that information is secret or ever-before unthought of. Actually, I thought it was a reasonably good analysis of that particuluarly nasty possibility.)

[Nothing But Net]

wolf: What's also interesting is that there are a some inaccuracies on the page and on pages linked to it.

Holy fuck! Inaccuracies! On the Cellar no less! You must be shitting me!

I just might have to cancel my subscription.

[wolf]

It's okay, NBN, the Cellar is just fine. Your worldview remains intact at this time. Take a few deep breaths, drink a nice big glass of water, follow it with a coupla shots of tequila. You'll be all right.

The Montgomery County Office of Mental Health .... THAT'S fucked up.

Trust me, I KNOW.

[elSicomoro]

Inaccuracies? Yipes! That could make a bad situation even worse.

Okay then. Tw, if you need that crisis number, or any other pertinent number, you know who to ask.

[juju]

Terrorists are going to read my posts and steal my ideas! Give me a break..

Really -- it's been over a year since the terrorist attack. Must we still cower in fear and jump at shadows? Tw, I think the culture of fear has you in it's grips. Turn off the tv and step away.

Very well-thought out idea, though. I'd love to hear the rest of them.

[elSicomoro]

For the record, I thought tw's idea was very interesting. I was initially commenting on his desire to remove the information he posted (which is his right, of course).

[tw]

Originally posted by juju
Very well-thought out idea, though. I'd love to hear the rest of them.

You have missed the point. Most cited potential terrorist targets are tepid, sanitized, or often not extremely danagerous. For example, cited is Sarin or VX in the subways. Sounds disasterous. But is not all that danagerous. Dangerous ideas are simply avoided for obvious reasons. That was my point. There are far more dangerous targets that terrorists would seek - if they only had enough intelligence to find those targets.

Terrorists are not worth getting in a huff worrying over - as long as we don't make it easy for them and as long as we don't inspire intelligent people to be terrorists. Let them think bombing the Golden Gate Bridge or Sarin gas attack would be so destructive. In the meantime many really destructive ideas are not even told to the public.

The point: if terrorists were such a threat, then terrorists would have been doing far more damage and attacking more often. Provided is a temporary example of what terrorists would really do if they were such a threat. Demonstrated is that terrorists really are not the big threat so hyped by a certain American president - who even hypes fear about six mythical terrorists crossing from Canada to NY State. I am not about to provide a list of potential targets. I am demonstrating why terrorism is really only criminal activity - which is how we should view it.

Demonstrated is how one without fanatical objectives could easily identify truly destructive targets. But terrorists just are not that smart - as long as we don't encourage moderates - the smart people - to become terrorists. Want to see dangerous terrorism? What would recruit moderates faster than an American government occupation for years of an Islamic country. An American government trying to force American ideas down the throat of people who neither want them nor earned them. An American government stealing Arab oil.

We currently have so little to fear from terrorists. But we have so much to fear if they finally get smart. One example is enough to demonstrate the point. There is no reason to cite any more exmples and no reason to leave this example posted too long.

[juju]

Originally posted by tw
There is no reason to cite any more exmples and no reason to leave this example posted too long.

Of course there's a reason -- it's interesting and it promotes discussion. If it's deleted, those who haven't read the thread yet won't know what we're talking about, and won't be able to contribute to the discussion.

Besides, it's not like you're the only person to have ever thought of this.