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TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexmons

yea with God, all he said was "God is great"

I don't think you would actually get Muslims and Christians to agree that the God they worship is the same one. That would be a quote used exclusively by Muslims. I subscribe to neither group exclusively.

Rexmons · 06-07-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I don't think you would actually get Muslims and Christians to agree that the God they worship is the same one. That would be a quote used exclusively by Muslims. I subscribe to neither group exclusively.

Allah is only the Arabic word for God, even Christian Arabs refer to their God as Allah.

TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexmons

Allah is only the Arabic word for God, even Christian Arabs refer to their God as Allah.

Sorry but the Christian God (Allah) is not the same "God" worshiped by Muslims in any language.

Rexmons · 06-07-2007, 09:10 AM

do you believe Christians, Catholics and Jews worship the same God?

TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexmons

do you believe Christians, Catholics and Jews worship the same God?

No, and I don't care. But I do know that the teachings of the Muslim faith are not the same as the Christian faith. There is a great book out now making the circuit that talks quite candidly about what the Muslim faith is all about. I would recommend it to all who want to learn more:

http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-.../dp/0743289684

Rexmons · 06-07-2007, 09:23 AM

merc

that book talks more about ethnic customs than religious ones but whatever, i can see you have already made up your mind, selam aleykum

piercehawkeye45 · 06-07-2007, 09:39 AM

Muslims worship the prophet Jesus (PBUH), they have different gods....

TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Muslims worship the prophet Jesus (PBUH), they have different gods....

I believe they recognize Jesus as a minor prophet as do Jews. But you are correct. Their Gods and idea of God are completely different.

TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexmons

merc

that book talks more about ethnic customs than religious ones but whatever, i can see you have already made up your mind, selam aleykum

One of the most important points she makes in her book are that not all people are equal in the Muslim faith. There are two kinds of people. Believers and non-belivers. That about sums it up. Woman are completely marginalized in the Muslim culture. That was a huge issue for her and she has a legit axe to grind. She avoided an arranged marriage and became what she is today, a voice.

piercehawkeye45 · 06-07-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I believe they recognize Jesus as a minor prophet as do Jews. But you are correct. Their Gods and idea of God are completely different.

Completely different? What?

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They do not regard Muhammad as the founder of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets. Islamic tradition holds that Judaism and Christianity distorted the messages of these prophets over time either in interpretation, in text, or both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

Rexmons · 06-07-2007, 09:57 AM

Muslims believe in not only the same God, but Jesus, Moses, the angels, Adam & Eve, Noah, Heaven, Hell and much more. The main thing Muslims and Christians disagree on is that Muslims do not believe Jesus was the son of God.

TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 09:58 AM

Islam vs. Christianity - What are the major differences?

Many people wonder what the comparison is between Islam vs. Christianity. While there are a few similarities between Islam and Christianity, such as a belief in moral living and doing good to others, nevertheless, Muslims and Christians have vastly different views on major points of ideology and theology. First and foremost are the differing perceptions of Jesus, the Christ. Islam readily accepts that Jesus of Nazareth existed and that He was born of the virgin, Mary. Islam teaches that Jesus was merely another prophet, equal to and following in the line of Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Moses. Muslims believe that Muhammad is the final messenger, superior to all previous prophets, the ultimate. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, which as the Jews accused of old, makes Him equal to God. He is accepted as the Second Person of the Trinity, God Himself come to earth in the flesh.

Islam vs. Christianity - What are the major differences?

Secondly, Islam refutes the idea that Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross. They believe that God spared His messenger from such an ignominious death and later took Him up to Himself. For Christians, the death of Jesus Christ on the cross is the focal point of all that they believe. The only way for man to be reconciled to a Holy God is for the ultimate price to be paid. Christians believe that Jesus Christ paid the ultimate price by shedding His blood. Without that precious act, Christians remain hopeless and in sin. "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" (Hebrews 9:22).

The religion of Islam has the Qur'an as the source of truth. Muslims believe that the original New Testament, which they call Injil, was the original revelation that Jesus received from Allah. They believe, however, that the Christians of today have corrupted the original Scriptures; therefore the Bible that is read by Christendom today is unreliable. Muslims believe that the message of Muhammad continued the original truths that were outlined in the Injil, and additionally, have corrected the errors that Christians have added. Christians hold that the Bible, including the Old and New Testaments is the infallible Word of God. They believe that God inspired the Scriptures; it is their only source of truth and instruction. "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:21).

Finally, Muslims do not hold to any assurance of salvation. They do not feel that is was even necessary for Jesus to pay for our sins. The belief that they hold is that every man must bear and pay for his or her own sins; for Jesus to be punished and responsible for our sins would be unjust in their eyes. Christians believe that man had no ability to atone for his sins. Christians believe that we are hopelessly lost except for the immeasurable gift of God's grace, which is the only means of salvation. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8).

TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 10:04 AM

Cool chart.

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/c...ristianity.htm

I would submit that in the eyes of Muslims they may believe that the God is the same, all be it a highly corrupted view, I would also submit that you would be quite pressed to find Western Christian religions that would agree with that notion.

Kreatores · 06-10-2007, 05:27 PM

I think the U.S. should let in more than 7.000 Iraqi refugees, the U.S. started the war.
But, I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. asked the E.U. to let thousands of Iraqi refugees in. Because lately the E.U. is cleaning up in countries like Afganistan and Iraq. While the U.S. started a big war they couldn't win.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-10-2007, 06:55 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, Kreatores.

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Because lately the E.U. is cleaning up in countries like Afganistan and Iraq.

Can you tell us what the EU is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq?

06-07-2007, 09:10 AM	#49
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06-07-2007, 09:23 AM	#51
Rexmons - Kavkaz United - Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 613	merc that book talks more about ethnic customs than religious ones but whatever, i can see you have already made up your mind, selam aleykum __________________ "Life's a bitch but God forbid the bitch divorce me..."

06-07-2007, 09:57 AM	#56
Rexmons - Kavkaz United - Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 613	Muslims believe in not only the same God, but Jesus, Moses, the angels, Adam & Eve, Noah, Heaven, Hell and much more. The main thing Muslims and Christians disagree on is that Muslims do not believe Jesus was the son of God. __________________ "Life's a bitch but God forbid the bitch divorce me..."

06-07-2007, 09:58 AM	#57
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Islam vs. Christianity - What are the major differences? Many people wonder what the comparison is between Islam vs. Christianity. While there are a few similarities between Islam and Christianity, such as a belief in moral living and doing good to others, nevertheless, Muslims and Christians have vastly different views on major points of ideology and theology. First and foremost are the differing perceptions of Jesus, the Christ. Islam readily accepts that Jesus of Nazareth existed and that He was born of the virgin, Mary. Islam teaches that Jesus was merely another prophet, equal to and following in the line of Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Moses. Muslims believe that Muhammad is the final messenger, superior to all previous prophets, the ultimate. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, which as the Jews accused of old, makes Him equal to God. He is accepted as the Second Person of the Trinity, God Himself come to earth in the flesh. Islam vs. Christianity - What are the major differences? Secondly, Islam refutes the idea that Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross. They believe that God spared His messenger from such an ignominious death and later took Him up to Himself. For Christians, the death of Jesus Christ on the cross is the focal point of all that they believe. The only way for man to be reconciled to a Holy God is for the ultimate price to be paid. Christians believe that Jesus Christ paid the ultimate price by shedding His blood. Without that precious act, Christians remain hopeless and in sin. "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" (Hebrews 9:22). The religion of Islam has the Qur'an as the source of truth. Muslims believe that the original New Testament, which they call Injil, was the original revelation that Jesus received from Allah. They believe, however, that the Christians of today have corrupted the original Scriptures; therefore the Bible that is read by Christendom today is unreliable. Muslims believe that the message of Muhammad continued the original truths that were outlined in the Injil, and additionally, have corrected the errors that Christians have added. Christians hold that the Bible, including the Old and New Testaments is the infallible Word of God. They believe that God inspired the Scriptures; it is their only source of truth and instruction. "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:21). Finally, Muslims do not hold to any assurance of salvation. They do not feel that is was even necessary for Jesus to pay for our sins. The belief that they hold is that every man must bear and pay for his or her own sins; for Jesus to be punished and responsible for our sins would be unjust in their eyes. Christians believe that man had no ability to atone for his sins. Christians believe that we are hopelessly lost except for the immeasurable gift of God's grace, which is the only means of salvation. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8). __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-07-2007, 10:04 AM	#58
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Cool chart. http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/c...ristianity.htm I would submit that in the eyes of Muslims they may believe that the God is the same, all be it a highly corrupted view, I would also submit that you would be quite pressed to find Western Christian religions that would agree with that notion. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-07-2007, 09:39 AM	#52
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Muslims worship the prophet Jesus (PBUH), they have different gods....

06-10-2007, 05:27 PM	#59
Kreatores Questionist Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8	I think the U.S. should let in more than 7.000 Iraqi refugees, the U.S. started the war. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. asked the E.U. to let thousands of Iraqi refugees in. Because lately the E.U. is cleaning up in countries like Afganistan and Iraq. While the U.S. started a big war they couldn't win.

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