U.S. Can Not Detain Legal Residents Without Charge

[DanaC]

It seemed worth reiterating:P

[Aliantha]

You're a funny girl girlie.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But tw thinks the whole world has the right...no, duty, to tell us how to run our country. Not foreign policy that might affect them, the whole fucking shootin' match.

Of course our friends have every right to talk. Friends talk to friends. Enemies and children worry about conversations being politically correct. Adults especially love it when peers state opinions. Defined is a difference between a child who entertains his emotions verses an adult who wants facts no matter how bad that reality may be.

In Iraq, reporters were telling us how bad it was. Therefore children in the US government complained reporters were not telling the whole truth - not reporting good things. Reality: Iraq was even worse than reported. But children in America did not like that reality; blamed the reporters.

Be it reporters or our foreign friends, the more honest criticism we get, then the better. At least if one is an adult.

Bruce - did I just accuse you of being a child? Let's see whether you deal with facts or jump to an emotional response.

But again, this is the new Cellar - due to many who now jump to emotional conclusions rather than deal (like adults) with reality.

Sorry, Bruce. I temporarily don't have a personal insult to direct at you. I will make up for it later (or am saving it for TheMercenary who has earned the right to collect personal attacks).

Does anyone have a problem with Duck Duck’s posts? Why? She is a sixteen year old meaning she is really in her first year of grasping the world. Notice she cites the Washington Times as a source. Do we attack her for being naïve, or simply note problems with her logic? Notice how many now have become so ‘child’ as to be emotionally angry with Duck Duck. Silly me. Posts are now justified by a new Cellar attitude.

Did I mention that TheMercenary is a pedophile? He loves sex with young kittens.

[Aliantha]

tw, when you said before that I had changed my behaviour, what were you trying to say?

I don't think that agreeing on an issue with someone that you may in general butt heads with means a person has changed. To me it means that it's not personal, even if I may not like the way that person chooses to express themselves. It's obvious plenty here don't like the way I express myself either. Such is life. We all have to learn how to choose our battles.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

There will also be non-Americans taking a different view and Americans being critical. The only way to stop that would be if non-Americans refrained from expressing opinions on American topics.

Many if not most Americans have little idea of anything outside of America. Who are the presidents of Mexico and Canada? I would bet most every American does not even know. But they certainly know when Canadians are critical of "Mission Accomplished". How dare they! Heaven forbid should Americans realize how correct Canadians were about justifications for war.

A double standard is acceptable because so many Americans have no idea what happens in other nations. Since naive Americans cannot criticize, then informed non-Americans have no right to criticize?

The useful solution is for naive Americans to listen rather than taking a child 'emotional' response to such criticisms. Duck Duck may be naive. Adult Americans would not reply with acidity.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Welcome to the new Cellar where personal attacks are now acceptable and encouraged. As a result, many have left - some posting why they leave. Even tw has decided to be honest about the integrity of some posters only because personal attacks are now acceptable - actually encouraged - in the Cellar. Notice Aliantha new attitude. No reasons. Just a post based in hate. So much hate as to even agree with Bruce - just to promote animosity.

Nobody of merit. xoxoxoBruce had no reason to asssume that phrase was about him. It was even posted with no one in mind - just fishing to see who wants to fight over nothing. Bruce's guilt got the best of him. This is the new Cellar starting about when TheMercenary started posting.

The King of Double Standard statements! Heh.
Someone give LJ a call.

[xoxoxoBruce]

tw, you keep bringing up foreign policy which I clearly said I would expect foreigners to comment on because it effects them.

Duck duck doesn't bother me because she clearly has no clue. One of the reasons she has no clue, is she doesn't understand the culture of the US, she lives in a different culture, a different world. This is not an uncommon problem with foreigners, they just don't get it.

The same goes for Americans saying the Brits don't want freedom, which is preposterous. They don't understand the culture, and just don't get it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The same goes for Americans saying the Brits don't want freedom, which is preposterous. They don't understand the culture, and just don't get it.

Which is understandable when so many Americans cannot even name the presidents of Mexico and Canada - let alone understand British (or French) culture. Distortion made easier if news sources are the local gossip or a political agenda (ie Fox).

Using the Washington Times as a 'window on America', well, Duck_Duck is young. She has years of learning how to put things into proper perspective. However I was appalled at how some adults could not take an adult perspective of her posts. So many replies with emotional angst rather than logical tolerance.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

So many replies with emotional angst rather than logical tolerance.

Dude, you are the king of such idiocy.

[bluecuracao]

Step 3: Attempting to disagree with an actual, thoughtful response.

You can do it...I'm rootin' for ya!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Step 3: Attempting to disagree with an actual, thoughtful response.

You can do it...I'm rootin' for ya!

You forgot Step 1, post an actual, thoughtful comment by which others can respond not peppered with speculative conspiracy theory.

[bluecuracao]

Uh uh, that wasn't Step 1. Hopefully that's all behind us now.

Freedom is freedom, do what you like and say what you like as long as it does not harm others or infringe on their right to do the same.
If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else, change the channel or close their door.
That is freedom.
Being told you cannot speak your mind, think something and gather with like minded friends is not freedom.
Europe selects who they think should have rights. They choose who are "good" people and "bad" people and dole out their brand of "Freedom" to each according to who they like.
The BNP, or more hilarious, some BANDS, LOL!!! are "Bad" so they get less freedom than others.
Others are "Good" so they get more freedom of speech.
The idea that this is one idea of "freedom" is bullshit. It is not freedom it is fascism.
But, I could care less, the Europeans chose it, they want it and they can have it.
The reason I brought it up is because it is a good example of where we are headed if we let down our guard.
That is why I brought it up.
I could care less if others think that their comfort is worth their freedom of speech, not to be monitored by the government 24/7 or right to protect themselves.... it is not my problem.

[DanaC]

The BNP, or more hilarious, some BANDS, LOL!!! are "Bad" so they get less freedom than others.

The BNP, much to my dismay, are an entirely legal political party. They can say anything they want as long as it does not contravene laws regarding incitement to racial hatred and violence. Laws were brought in to ensure that people did not have to right to incite racial hatred and violence, because we had a very large problem with racist violence and disturbances. We still do, but not to the same extent as we did under the older system, in which the NF (BNP's predecessors) led a reign of terror against the ethnic minority communities in Britain, as well as against any non-mainstream, left-leaning political group.

Even now, with our supposedly draconian laws, BNP speakers can whip up a rally of supporters, referring to 'ethnics' as 'cockroaches who should be wiped out, cleared out' do not actually face any sanction. The BNP has a paramilitary wing. It acts both within and without the law.

What happens, when the freedom they enjoy, extends to shouting 'Paki' and 'suicide bomber' through the letter box of a 67 year old widow, daubing 'SS' on her front foor and throwing rocks at the back window? Unless you can catch 'em at it, you can't prosecute. Incidents like that and worse are a daily occurrence in some areas. Racial tensions are a major factor in many of our towns and cities.

We had a lull, in this sort of stuff, for about a decade and a bit, things calmed down and the movement towards multi-culturalism was quite strong. That was when the NF had been effectively stomped down and (because any revolutionary movement necessarily runs out of steam as its supporters realise the revolution is not around the corner) before they had rebranded themselves as the BNP.

The American political paradigm, seems to be the strength or weakness of the rightwing, religious lobby. The European paradigm seems to be more to do with the strength or weakness of the far-right, nationalist, supremacist movements.

I am talking about free speech, the examples you used are assault and valdalism... but you know that. OT.
Try, if you can, to stay on topic please.
If someone wants to say they feel that the white/black/polish/russian race is superior, that is their right. If they want to use racial slurs, it is free speech. If they state they want people to hurt others, it is not. Pretty simple.
There is a difference between free speech, like wearing a swastika or Aryan cross and incitement to riot or violence and the difference is clear... at least to those who care about freedom.
Freedom is freedom is freedom.