I'm voting Republican - Page 6

Radar · 09-09-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

I was under the impression that you declined to pay income taxes, thought I read you saying that in the past. Hence my question.

I believe I said I don't have to pay taxes. I don't believe I said I wasn't paying them. For a time I was working for a law school that teaches about the illegality of the income tax, and they paid me in cash without taxes taken out. That was a long time ago though.

Aliantha · 09-09-2008, 07:32 PM

Whatever you say Radar. I'm sure you've written a federal budget to cover all the expenses that are important to you.

I guess if anyone else has an opinion on where money should be spent they should go suck an egg right?

classicman · 09-09-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

We would have to reduce the size of our military so it was large enough to carry out the common defense of our own country and not stick our noses into every dispute on earth between other nations, we'd have to eliminate all parts of the federal government not enumerated in the Constitution like Homeland security, FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, BATF, BLM, FCC, Foreign aid, welfare, medicare, social security, federally funded education, etc.

Hmmm, that's sounds like a great idea and when other imperialist or (insert your choice of negative term here) nations take over every other square inch of the planet we'll be in great shape to defend ourselves won't we? Maybe that theory worked when the only weapons were guns, knives and arrows, but as technology has enabled others to attack us from half way around the world, that pathetic outdated view just doesn't work anymore.

Radar · 09-10-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Whatever you say Radar. I'm sure you've written a federal budget to cover all the expenses that are important to you.

I guess if anyone else has an opinion on where money should be spent they should go suck an egg right?

Their opinion matters as long as what they want money spent on is enumerated in the Constitution. Otherwise, it does not.

Aliantha · 09-10-2008, 01:23 AM

Some people might believe your interpretation (which is obviously in the minority and you live in a democracy, so bad luck for you) of the constitution is outdated and even if your interpretation happens to be factual, that it should be ammended to suit the current economic and social circumstances of your nation.

My opinion is that any constitution, whether it be that of a country or a company even, is not a stagnant document. It is simply a foundation to begin from. It's up to the people to modify and update such documents throughout time.

eta: So if their opinion doesn't matter because according to you it's wrong according to the constitution, what should be the recourse? Should these people who have the same rights as American citizens as you do just bugger off and find some other country to live in?

Radar · 09-10-2008, 03:36 PM

I don't "interpret" the Constitution. It doesn't require interpretation. But I agree with you that the Constitution can be amended. It may not be amended, however, to grant any powers to the federal government that we, as individuals, don't have as a right without government.

The legitimate powers of government are derived from the consent of the governed. This means that government may only have the powers that we grant to it, AND which we have in the first place to grant to government. Government may not have any powers above the rights of a single person.

I don't have the right to take money from your wallet by force, to spend it to educate my kids, or to feed hungry people, or to provide healthcare, etc. therefore I can't grant this power to government. Nor can a million of me, or a billion of me.

classicman · 09-10-2008, 11:16 PM

BigV · 09-11-2008, 02:46 PM

I think you're wrong Radar.

Take the contrarian perspective of your argument.

Are you saying that every power granted to the federal government is a right that I already have as an individual? The power to declare and wage war? The power to tax, to regulate interstate trade? These are rights I have as an individual? Rights I ever had as an individual? Please.

Rework your post. As it stands, it's wrong on its face.

Radar · 09-12-2008, 12:49 PM

Yes, I am saying that. You as an individual have a right to defend yourself. So do others. You may grant this power to government...basically you hire government to perform this function for you.

The power to regulate interstate trade is simply the power for the federal government to settle economic disputes among the states. In essence we are hiring the government as a mediator. The reason we have a federal government at all is to provide common defense, and to settle disputes among the sovereign states.

As my post stands, it is 100% factual and accurate.

All legitimate powers of government are derived from the rights that individuals have granted to it. Government may have no powers above those of a single individual. You have no right to reach into my wallet to pay for your child's education, or your retirement, or your medical costs. How then can you grant this power to government? How can 350 million people who have no such right, grant this power to government?

The federal government may now exercise any powers that are not specifically enumerated, and even if they are enumerated, if they violate the rights of people they are illegitimate. The 16th & 18th amendments are illegitimate. Luckily the 18th was repealed.

classicman · 09-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Hey Radar - you must have missed this - Link
I'm still waiting for you to respond.

classicman · 09-12-2008, 03:59 PM

Oh and thanks for again repeating your opinions - They are certainly refreshing to read even though I totally disagree with you.

Radar · 09-13-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Hey Radar - you must have missed this - Link
I'm still waiting for you to respond.

I didn't miss the link. I don't take parlay bets.

classicman · 09-14-2008, 10:21 PM

You made the claim I just asked you to back it up. Your reluctance speaks volumes.
I don't believe its a parlay anyway.

Radar · 09-14-2008, 10:28 PM

It's a bet that Obama will win...and a bet that he will get end the war and get the troops out within 18 months.

classicman · 09-14-2008, 10:33 PM

Fair enough - But you were/are sooooo confident - seems like I'm virtually giving you the money based upon all you've been posting here.

09-09-2008, 07:32 PM	#77
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Whatever you say Radar. I'm sure you've written a federal budget to cover all the expenses that are important to you. I guess if anyone else has an opinion on where money should be spent they should go suck an egg right? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

09-10-2008, 01:23 AM	#80
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Some people might believe your interpretation (which is obviously in the minority and you live in a democracy, so bad luck for you) of the constitution is outdated and even if your interpretation happens to be factual, that it should be ammended to suit the current economic and social circumstances of your nation. My opinion is that any constitution, whether it be that of a country or a company even, is not a stagnant document. It is simply a foundation to begin from. It's up to the people to modify and update such documents throughout time. eta: So if their opinion doesn't matter because according to you it's wrong according to the constitution, what should be the recourse? Should these people who have the same rights as American citizens as you do just bugger off and find some other country to live in? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

09-10-2008, 03:36 PM	#81
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I don't "interpret" the Constitution. It doesn't require interpretation. But I agree with you that the Constitution can be amended. It may not be amended, however, to grant any powers to the federal government that we, as individuals, don't have as a right without government. The legitimate powers of government are derived from the consent of the governed. This means that government may only have the powers that we grant to it, AND which we have in the first place to grant to government. Government may not have any powers above the rights of a single person. I don't have the right to take money from your wallet by force, to spend it to educate my kids, or to feed hungry people, or to provide healthcare, etc. therefore I can't grant this power to government. Nor can a million of me, or a billion of me. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-10-2008, 11:16 PM	#82
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	__________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-11-2008, 02:46 PM	#83
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I think you're wrong Radar. Take the contrarian perspective of your argument. Are you saying that every power granted to the federal government is a right that I already have as an individual? The power to declare and wage war? The power to tax, to regulate interstate trade? These are rights I have as an individual? Rights I ever had as an individual? Please. Rework your post. As it stands, it's wrong on its face. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

09-12-2008, 12:49 PM	#84
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Yes, I am saying that. You as an individual have a right to defend yourself. So do others. You may grant this power to government...basically you hire government to perform this function for you. The power to regulate interstate trade is simply the power for the federal government to settle economic disputes among the states. In essence we are hiring the government as a mediator. The reason we have a federal government at all is to provide common defense, and to settle disputes among the sovereign states. As my post stands, it is 100% factual and accurate. All legitimate powers of government are derived from the rights that individuals have granted to it. Government may have no powers above those of a single individual. You have no right to reach into my wallet to pay for your child's education, or your retirement, or your medical costs. How then can you grant this power to government? How can 350 million people who have no such right, grant this power to government? The federal government may now exercise any powers that are not specifically enumerated, and even if they are enumerated, if they violate the rights of people they are illegitimate. The 16th & 18th amendments are illegitimate. Luckily the 18th was repealed. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-12-2008, 03:58 PM	#85
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Hey Radar - you must have missed this - Link I'm still waiting for you to respond. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-12-2008, 03:59 PM	#86
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Oh and thanks for again repeating your opinions - They are certainly refreshing to read even though I totally disagree with you. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-14-2008, 10:21 PM	#88
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	You made the claim I just asked you to back it up. Your reluctance speaks volumes. I don't believe its a parlay anyway. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-14-2008, 10:28 PM	#89
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	It's a bet that Obama will win...and a bet that he will get end the war and get the troops out within 18 months. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-14-2008, 10:33 PM	#90
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Fair enough - But you were/are sooooo confident - seems like I'm virtually giving you the money based upon all you've been posting here. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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