When Welfare Goes Wrong... - Page 3

classicman · 12-03-2008, 08:18 PM

The other chart...

morethanpretty · 12-03-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

After the comments I've seen around this place on what some people think of charities etc, I wouldn't buy into the whole, 'there are programs to help people short term'. It'd seem to me that there are a lot of people who don't give a shit about helping anyone who's down on their luck.

I would like to see some examples of that. I've seen the opposite for the most part. Just methods and reasoning are different.

Aliantha · 12-03-2008, 10:37 PM

All you have to do is read the threads about charity/ies that've been started over the last couple of months. You can see it however you want of course, but I don't necessarily agree with your own ideas on charity, so perhaps that's the problem. You'd be one of the ones that I'd consider less charitable.

ETA: not that it should matter to you what I think. It's only my opinion based on my own definition of charity.

lumberjim · 12-03-2008, 10:45 PM

luck has less to do with it than will.

morethanpretty · 12-03-2008, 10:46 PM

ORLY? You think me wanting to help those who I KNOW need help is bad? Instead of handing out my money to random people on the street who could be outlaws, druggies, drug dealers, plain ol' lazy asses, conmen? So I keep my money because I know my parent's have less in their retirement than I do in savings, one day they'll be my burden. I keep it so that when my neighbor comes by for $20 to by a bed, I'll have it. I keep it so when my coworker is short rent, I can spot her it. How about my cousins that have a shitty mom, am I uncharitable because I hope my change will help them in college rather than give it to a bum? How about all of the hours I've spent volunteering? Or visiting elderly in nursing homes? What about me, wanting to save my money for people I know are in need vs those I think are cons is uncharitable?

Aliantha · 12-03-2008, 10:52 PM

Like I said, my ideas on charity are different to yours.

I just think it's easy to help people you care about, but I admire you for wanting to do so. Some people don't even go that far.

To be honest, my opinions on charity have changed a lot over the years. I haven't always felt the way I do today, but I guess some events helped me see that I could do better than I had been.

Maybe in 20 years you'll feel differently too. Maybe you wont. Either way it's your choice how you spend your money.

morethanpretty · 12-03-2008, 11:04 PM

My point is: that I am NOT less charitable than you are. Your ideas are different maybe, but that doesn't make my contribution any less. Besides that, I never said that I only help those I care about. I said I prefer to help those I KNOW need it. That just tends to be those I'm around. I care about everyone, I'm just not gonna help you if I don't KNOW you need help. You keep inferring that I'm saying something I'm not. I doubt I will ever feel like I should hand my money to a bum on a street.

TheMercenary · 12-03-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

My point is: that I am NOT less charitable than you are. Your ideas are different maybe, but that doesn't make my contribution any less.

Ummmm, yea, Ali already said that. She is not completely disagreeing with you from what I have read.

Aliantha · 12-03-2008, 11:13 PM

lol...ok whatever. Don't get your panties in a twist.

morethanpretty · 12-03-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

You'd be one of the ones that I'd consider less charitable.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ummmm, yea, Ali already said that. She is not completely disagreeing with you from what I have read.

That is what she said merc. Exactly that I am less charitable.

Ali: Maybe you should own up that you made assumptions that are wrong, based on very little information that you misinterpreted? Instead of saying that I'm "getting my panties in a twist." Very mature BTW.

Aliantha · 12-03-2008, 11:37 PM

Well you do seem a little bit upset. Sorry if that's my fault, but you really shouldn't let nasty old women like me affect you that way.

As I said, my ideas on charity are different to yours and if you want it plainly, then yes, I do believe anyone who doesn't care to give to strangers or 'bums' as you so nicely put it, is less charitable than someone who chooses to show their charity closer to home.

Who's right or wrong? Does it matter? Why does it matter to you so much that I have the opinion I do? Do you think there's something wrong with how you choose to give? If so, change it. If not, be happy that you've made the right decision for you at this point in your life.

TheMercenary · 12-03-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

That is what she said merc. Exactly that I am less charitable.

But as the discussion progressed she modified and recognized that there may just have been differences in how you looked at charity.

morethanpretty · 12-03-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

As I said, my ideas on charity are different to yours and if you want it plainly, then yes, I do believe anyone who doesn't care to give to strangers or 'bums' as you so nicely put it, is less charitable than someone who chooses to show their charity closer to home.

Again, though, you're trying to make nice-nice, you're inserting and adding things into what I've said. Strangers are not the same as homeless (there like that word better), I am perfectly willing to help charities (that I trust) that help strangers, or people I don't know. I trust the the charity is helping those it KNOWS needs help, therefore by my association with them I am helping people I KNOW need help. Not necessarily people I know personally or have relations with. Right now I don't have the ability to help monetarily or physically as much as I want to, so I prioritize. Yes it is easier to help those I'm closer too, but that isn't my only goal. I still would not give money to homeless, I would give to a homeless shelter, soup kitchen, ect. Those charities that help the homeless a lot more in the long run than my pocket change would.

morethanpretty · 12-04-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But as the discussion progressed she modified and recognized that there may just have been differences in how you looked at charity.

Not really, she said from the beginning that the ideas/types of giving might be different, but she has stuck to her idea that my type of giving is less charitable. Which based purely off the fact that I don't believe in giving homeless (which has now come to encompass all strangers apparently) cash out of my pocket because I don't really think it actually helps them.

Aliantha · 12-04-2008, 12:10 AM

Just forget it mtp.

You're wonderful. Very charitable. You should be very proud.

I'm terrible and simply shouldn't speak to people like you the way I do.

But just keep in mind for next time; if you're going to ask me to back up what I say, I will, and since you were the one that asked, you were the one I used as an example.

For the record once and for all, any charity is good. I just think it's better if you don't feel the need to put conditions on your charitable deeds. To me, it's takes away from the other things you do.

12-03-2008, 08:18 PM	#31
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	The other chart... Attached Images __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-03-2008, 10:37 PM	#33
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	All you have to do is read the threads about charity/ies that've been started over the last couple of months. You can see it however you want of course, but I don't necessarily agree with your own ideas on charity, so perhaps that's the problem. You'd be one of the ones that I'd consider less charitable. ETA: not that it should matter to you what I think. It's only my opinion based on my own definition of charity. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-03-2008, 10:45 PM	#34
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	luck has less to do with it than will. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-03-2008, 10:46 PM	#35
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	ORLY? You think me wanting to help those who I KNOW need help is bad? Instead of handing out my money to random people on the street who could be outlaws, druggies, drug dealers, plain ol' lazy asses, conmen? So I keep my money because I know my parent's have less in their retirement than I do in savings, one day they'll be my burden. I keep it so that when my neighbor comes by for $20 to by a bed, I'll have it. I keep it so when my coworker is short rent, I can spot her it. How about my cousins that have a shitty mom, am I uncharitable because I hope my change will help them in college rather than give it to a bum? How about all of the hours I've spent volunteering? Or visiting elderly in nursing homes? What about me, wanting to save my money for people I know are in need vs those I think are cons is uncharitable? __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

12-03-2008, 10:52 PM	#36
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Like I said, my ideas on charity are different to yours. I just think it's easy to help people you care about, but I admire you for wanting to do so. Some people don't even go that far. To be honest, my opinions on charity have changed a lot over the years. I haven't always felt the way I do today, but I guess some events helped me see that I could do better than I had been. Maybe in 20 years you'll feel differently too. Maybe you wont. Either way it's your choice how you spend your money. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-03-2008, 11:04 PM	#37
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	My point is: that I am NOT less charitable than you are. Your ideas are different maybe, but that doesn't make my contribution any less. Besides that, I never said that I only help those I care about. I said I prefer to help those I KNOW need it. That just tends to be those I'm around. I care about everyone, I'm just not gonna help you if I don't KNOW you need help. You keep inferring that I'm saying something I'm not. I doubt I will ever feel like I should hand my money to a bum on a street. __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

12-03-2008, 11:13 PM	#39
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lol...ok whatever. Don't get your panties in a twist. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-03-2008, 11:37 PM	#41
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well you do seem a little bit upset. Sorry if that's my fault, but you really shouldn't let nasty old women like me affect you that way. As I said, my ideas on charity are different to yours and if you want it plainly, then yes, I do believe anyone who doesn't care to give to strangers or 'bums' as you so nicely put it, is less charitable than someone who chooses to show their charity closer to home. Who's right or wrong? Does it matter? Why does it matter to you so much that I have the opinion I do? Do you think there's something wrong with how you choose to give? If so, change it. If not, be happy that you've made the right decision for you at this point in your life. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-04-2008, 12:10 AM	#45
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Just forget it mtp. You're wonderful. Very charitable. You should be very proud. I'm terrible and simply shouldn't speak to people like you the way I do. But just keep in mind for next time; if you're going to ask me to back up what I say, I will, and since you were the one that asked, you were the one I used as an example. For the record once and for all, any charity is good. I just think it's better if you don't feel the need to put conditions on your charitable deeds. To me, it's takes away from the other things you do. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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