Dec 30, 2008: Wood Pipe PAR

xoxoxoBruce · 12-30-2008, 01:52 AM

I originally got this in a email, but it peaked my interest so I went searching the net. I found it, but I have the impression this happened in 1966.
Since you didn't know about it, I guess that doesn't matter... no you di'n't.

btw, PAR is the Port Arthur Refinery in Texas.

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The Wood Stave Line that is pictured in the photos below was installed in 1917 on Estimate 1636. Drawing Y-1745 depicts the route of this line, which was from the West Side Coke Stills (which were located generally where FCCU 1 & 2 were later built) along South "R" street between Ninth Avenue and First Avenue. The line was a condenser water overflow line from the WSCS to Alligator Bayou (which in those days was along the route of Flare Road in that area).

Two things;
1- they were dumping waste water directly into the bayou.
2- the bayou isn't there any more... probably filled.

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We are currently finalizing efforts to secure and restore a section of the line that the CEP (Crude Expansion Project) team would like to donate to the refinery museum.

From the patent (US 4897140) for this style of pipe.

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Wood stave pipe is "composed of a plurality of longitudinally straight but transversely curved wood-staves, the longitudinal edges thereof being provided with a tongue and groove configuration and being glued together, while being mounted in a sidewise engagement in a cradle-like mounting means. The pipe-shaped bodies are later processed by milling, grinding or polishing internally and externally..."

Like a barrel, only straight instead of tapered.

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Most likely the wood used in PAR's wood stave pipes was cypress. It is in very good condition, considering that it was probably cut in 1916. The craftsmanship in the line that we found is almost unbelievable. The joints are meticulous.

They use cypress for industrial "swamp" type air conditioners and cooling towers, because it doesn't rot when it's used in wet locations.

SPUCK · 12-30-2008, 05:00 AM

Yeah they need that in a museum....

"Yes, we're seeking donations for a museum piece."
"What is it?"
"Um, well it's a um, ahh, a ah, yes, well, a piece of pipe"
"A what!??"
"A piece of old pi"
<CLICK>
"Hello? Hello?"

TheMercenary · 12-30-2008, 08:21 AM

They are obviously full of shit.

Griff · 12-30-2008, 08:32 AM

"Hello, Museum of Hazardous Waste."

hipshot · 12-30-2008, 11:26 AM

Condenser Water is not part of an internal system. It's basically the water that flows through a swamp cooler (although we think of it as "cooling" the air, it actually acts as a heat sink to remove heat from circulated air). The cooling towers you see near power plants and huge HVAC systems have CW trickling down the sides. That's why you see steam plumes in the winter time.

No HAZMAT this time!

See http://tristate.apogee.net/cool/cfn.asp for a more thorough explanation... if you are REALLY bored.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-30-2008, 12:21 PM

No, this is not a drain from a swamp cooler. This is from a coke still where I get the impression they cook the crude oil to drive off water and gas. The condenser is not for boiler steam, which would send the condensate back to the boiler, but the condensed water vapor cooked out of the crude oil. This condensate would be mostly water.

Griff · 12-30-2008, 03:20 PM

mmm... how about a tall cool glass of mostly water.

monster · 12-30-2008, 03:26 PM

That's not a pipe. it's buried treasure! Long, thin, buried treasure.

busterb · 12-30-2008, 06:12 PM

Bruce. My friend happened to call last nite and I checked to see if he got e-mail.
Awh Anyway He said he found some of same while working in AU. A fews yrs back. Hell it was only water running tru the line anyway.
Hello! What was water barrels made of years ago.
In fact there was a stavemill in this town in times past.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-30-2008, 09:24 PM

Yeah, that's what water (and everything else) barrels were made of years ago, but how many survived being buried in the ground for 50+ years.

busterb · 12-31-2008, 10:41 AM

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wood used in PAR's wood stave pipes was cypress

Key word being Cypress

Flint · 12-31-2008, 11:05 AM

So, my foundation should have been built with Cypress...

Shawnee123 · 12-31-2008, 11:37 AM

Don't click on that cypress link. It's a rickroll.

Coign · 12-31-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Don't click on that cypress link. It's a rickroll.

Damn you. I was thinking, I haven't heard Rick Astley in a while and when I clicked on it, it was just underlined and not a link at all.

Shawnee123 · 12-31-2008, 01:22 PM

lmao...my plan...it worked!

I thought it looked like a linky and I was being a smart (read: dumb) ass.

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12-30-2008, 11:26 AM	#5
hipshot Enlarged to show texture Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 80	Condenser Water is not part of an internal system. It's basically the water that flows through a swamp cooler (although we think of it as "cooling" the air, it actually acts as a heat sink to remove heat from circulated air). The cooling towers you see near power plants and huge HVAC systems have CW trickling down the sides. That's why you see steam plumes in the winter time. No HAZMAT this time! See http://tristate.apogee.net/cool/cfn.asp for a more thorough explanation... if you are REALLY bored. __________________ "When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car."

12-30-2008, 12:21 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No, this is not a drain from a swamp cooler. This is from a coke still where I get the impression they cook the crude oil to drive off water and gas. The condenser is not for boiler steam, which would send the condensate back to the boiler, but the condensed water vapor cooked out of the crude oil. This condensate would be mostly water. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-30-2008, 03:20 PM	#7
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	mmm... how about a tall cool glass of mostly water. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-30-2008, 05:00 AM	#2
SPUCK Professor Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,911	Yeah they need that in a museum.... "Yes, we're seeking donations for a museum piece." "What is it?" "Um, well it's a um, ahh, a ah, yes, well, a piece of pipe" "A what!??" "A piece of old pi" <CLICK> "Hello? Hello?"

12-30-2008, 03:26 PM	#8
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	That's not a pipe. it's buried treasure! Long, thin, buried treasure. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-30-2008, 06:12 PM	#9
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Bruce. My friend happened to call last nite and I checked to see if he got e-mail. Awh Anyway He said he found some of same while working in AU. A fews yrs back. Hell it was only water running tru the line anyway. Hello! What was water barrels made of years ago. In fact there was a stavemill in this town in times past. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

12-30-2008, 09:24 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yeah, that's what water (and everything else) barrels were made of years ago, but how many survived being buried in the ground for 50+ years. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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12-31-2008, 11:37 AM	#13
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Don't click on that cypress link. It's a rickroll. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-31-2008, 01:22 PM	#15
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	lmao...my plan...it worked! I thought it looked like a linky and I was being a smart (read: dumb) ass. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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